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02 May 2008 @ 11:29 am
Lost 4x10 Something Nice Back Home  
Well well well. NOW I'm sorta confused. Or maybe not.

 FLASHFORWARD

1. Well. I guess I should say some intelligent thing about this but the whole sum was that Mr Shephard was so damn hot that I didn't care about much else. OMG. OMG. That first sequence with the shower..... duh. I mean. *thud*

1bis. And when he said son of a bitch I was like is Sawyer's ghost around? See what I've got to do to slash? *sigh*

2. Future!Jack/Kate -> fail. Sorry. Didn't like it one bit. In the first part I just photoshopped at least four or five people in Kate's place. And Jack raising Aaron? WTF? Sorry but NO. When he proposed I was like 'Jack where the hell did you go?!' and in the end? Well, I was mighty glad. Seems like going insane is his best way to sanity.

3. No wonder she doesn't want to see him in the future though.

4. Christian Shephard creeps-me-the-fuck-out and he's the character with more screen time EVER.

5. Where did I see the doctor that prescribes Jack the pills?

6. just two words: GO CHARLIE. You WIN at life even if you're dead.

7. Can I just hug Hurley? Please?

8. More in the speculation corner but for now I'll just say that OMG Jack you're a sight for sore eyes.

ON THE ISLAND

TEAM FREIGHTER

9. Where is my team awesome? Two weeks and no Desmond? *iz pissed off*

10. And no Sayid either! *iz even more pissed off*

TEAM LOCKE

11. Uuuuhm, one Benry-less week was kinda refreshing.

TEAM KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOR

12. ARGH. KARL AND DANIELLE. ARGH. ARGH. ;_______;

13. Though, I don't think team!Keamy would have buried them. Uuuuhm. Is there something in the air?

14. I'm liking Miles much more.

15. Oh SAWYER. Couldn't I love you MORE?

16. Regarding the ending, I'll speculate in the corner but Sawyer holding Aaron was awesome.

17. Did Claire go off to the Wizard of Oz with Christian? I've got this idea that we won't see her again soon.

18. Though at least this was a more intelligent way of getting Aaron with Kate than I'd give them credit for.

19. Uhm, Sawyer I love you.

TEAM WE GET THE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT

20. So Jin and Sun did something. YAY!

21. Did Jin go to Sayid's torture afternoon class?

22. But when he called on Charlotte he was awesome.

23. Also, he should work for a dating agency. I guess Dan/Miles won't exist anytime soon.

TEAM JACK

24. Oh Bernard. You're the awesomeness. I love that lately he has moar screentime than anyone else. And Rose totally owns too.

25. Oh my poor shipper heart. Oh my Jack/Juliet. Where did you go? I hoped it was going to last me until the finale. Oh Juliet, can I console you? Argh. It killed me. Poor woman. The only grown up in the whole thing apart from Rambo & wife and she doesn't have a chance. Oh Juliet.

26. Island!Kate was just meh. And since when she's bff with Juliet? Meh.

27. Jack, you're a masochist. I still love you but you are.

SPECULATION CORNER

28. So, my how-Kate-has-Aaron theory: Sawyer arrives on the beach only with Miles and Aaron. Or Miles goes on the beach and tells Kate Sawyer is somewhere near. Whatever. They meet, they have the great shipper moment, he says he's staying and he knows she loves Jack and all that jazz but since the island is not a place to raise a kid and the mother is gone doing dad-daughter bonding he makes her promise she'll take care of Aaron and gives him to her. Which seems to me as I said before much more intelligent than I'd give them credit for even if it's going to make my eyes roll because I don't like it, if it happens. But I don't like the Aaron-in-the-future storyline anyway, so..

29. So that's how Jack started going downhill. I sincerely hoped it was because he was seeing Boone and not his dad but however.

Yes, I'm still THAT delusional.

30. So Hurley has kinda accepted the ghost!Charlie? I'm sure they have long talks.

31. And anyway, I already said it but ghost!Charlie wins. You're not supposed to raise him. HA. Square and straight.

32. Which is true because daddy!Jack creeped me out almost as much as mommy!Kate.

33. Who is getting scarier. My son? Like hell.

34. If she's doing something for Sawyer, she's probably meeting Cassidy. Or it's Clementine-related. I mean, the else could she do for him?

35. And anyway.... why, why does she have to lie? Why? Can't she just tell him and not start with trust me and all that shit?

36. I'm not saying that he wasn't an asshole to her because he was. And I'm not saying that this episode didn't stress all of Jack's flaws because it did. But well. As much as I headdesked, I love the guy. I can't not love him. Though they pretty much killed my only Jack canon ship. *sighs*

37. Can we have a ghost party? Please? I'm in bad need of Boone fixing. Really. It's being pretty bad these days.

38. The downward spiral starting hurt, though.

Overall, I liked it. And at least it gave some sorta answers. Sorta. But Jack/Kate -> NO. Guess I'll go and write denial Jack/Juliet. And shit, Danielle is really dead. Show, I hate you as much as I love you.
 
 
feeling: aggravatedaggravated
 
 
 
amantium_irae: THE SHIRTamantium_irae on May 2nd, 2008 10:09 am (UTC)
omg, how hot were the doctor outfits
omg, yay, finally someone's awake lol.

I speak as someone who has had NO emotional investment in any ships in a looong time, although Jack/Juliet would have worked and made sense beautifully, if anything because both actors can act and both characters act their age.

So what I'm saying is... I LOVED the Jack/Kate. You know why? Cause if this were a Kate episode it would have been totally lame and asinine and what have you and it would have rained with OOC. But it wasn't and it's not and it's kinda awesome actually. Allow me to explain.

This was seriously the BEST way to end this mess. You know I'm absolutely convinced Jack is going to die once he goes back to the Island. If he was ever going to be with Kate, this was the time. And how much do I LOVE that I don't even hate Kate for this particular episode? I have TTLG to hate her for and it's enough, but here I feel the way I felt for Sarah after THP. I kinda shrugged and went: "It's BOTH their faults cause they're just WRONG for each other in every single way." And Jack and Kate are the most mismatched people on television ever. But the results are SO good for Jack's story, I'm kinda loving the way they did it. Love it.

I don't understand why Kate doing something from Clementine would have to be kept a secret from Jack. He'd give her a ride there, given how hard he's trying to be a good daddy himself, he'd sympathize with Sawyer the way he did when he told Kate he loved her. I'm not hating on Kate, btw, it simply doesn't make sense writingwise. I'm just Zen about her the way I was with Sarah in THP, I didn't hate Sarah either. It's BOTH their faults, Jack was about to marry Kate for reasons that were as wrong as him marrying Sarah. Nobody's going to agree with me, but they're WRONG for each other. So wrong. I don't even mean this in some huffy, inflamatory way. This is SO much better than I'd ever hoped for their relationship off Island to be because it's EXACTLY in character for both, especially Jack. That's absolutely who he is in that final scene there and that's who she doesn't get. Like I said earlier, I completely understand "I'M THE ONE WHO'S HERE" because I've always suspected that's how Jack's felt since pretty much the day Sawyer told him he made out with Kate. It's his life's noxious mantra following him around: "No matter how hard I try, it will never be good enough" and "It doesn't matter who he is... " etc. It's a GOOD, nay, GREAT story so that's a big sigh of relief for me and thank God they put it in a Jack episode cause otherwise I might not be quite so happy about it now.
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Do I wish he'd want what's GOOD for him instead? Sure. But it would be unrealistic for him because he's not there. He's scared and he's lost and "I'm not who I was, although I look the same... Who am I?" And she doesn't GET that and never will. She doesn't understand and know him enough not to lie to him (like seriously, if she's doing Sawyer a favor about his DAUGHTER what are the chances that Jack would give her a ride there, given how hard he's trying to be a good father himself?) and not to demand trust but never give any of it back. But I don't hate her for it, I don't even fault her for it. It's Kate. And he's Jack. And they're totally WRONG for each other and Jack was trying to fake happiness for five minutes there and he got laid a lot and it will all go to hell and he'll go back to the Island and she'll tell him how much he loves him right before he dies, end of.

And I love it. Cause omfg, this is my favorite story on televion bar none and aside from wanting to fuck Matthew Fox until we're both dehydrated and can't walk straight for a week, he's also kinda SCARY good and outdid himself actingwise so how lucky am I anyway?


JULIET FTW, can I have her for myself, pls? I'd totally go gay for Juliet. Also... Jin and Charlotte interraction was awesome as was the great use they made of ALL the freighties.

THIS is why I love this episode and only liked with reservations last weeks. It's not Ben and Widmore that got me hooked, it's not them I care about.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost jack **janie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 10:19 am (UTC)
Re: omg, how hot were the doctor outfits
You've totally got a point about the story and the Jack/Kate. It irked me because I just can't like her and seeing her all polished up and smiling and whatever makes me roll my eyes and I can only enjoy the Jack part of the equation but story wise it really worked, I definitely agree with that.

I don't understand why Kate doing something from Clementine would have to be kept a secret from Jack. He'd give her a ride there, given how hard he's trying to be a good daddy himself, he'd sympathize with Sawyer the way he did when he told Kate he loved her. I'm not hating on Kate, btw, it simply doesn't make sense writingwise

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I get he'd be upset if she hid him something regarding Sawyer but why the fuck would she lie to him about that? Meh, they wouldn't have worked anyway and they'd have fallen apart for another reason but that was kinda nonsense. Whatever.

Nobody's going to agree with me, but they're WRONG for each other

I do agree with you! They are so NOT. Really NOT. They just clash and they don't go together at all.

But it would be unrealistic for him because he's not there. He's scared and he's lost and "I'm not who I was, although I look the same... Who am I?" And she doesn't GET that and never will. She doesn't understand and know him enough not to lie to him (like seriously, if she's doing Sawyer a favor about his DAUGHTER what are the chances that Jack would give her a ride there, given how hard he's trying to be a good father himself?) and not to demand trust but never give any of it back.

You said it. Exactly that. And the acting was just.... gah. *dies* I love Jack. Really.

I'd definitely go gay for Juliet, too. She's great. And much better for him than Kate. And I sincerely hope they're over and that she gets a chance because that works for me. Jin/Charlotte -> AWESOME. Totally.

I'm totally NOT in for Ben/Widmore crap. *sighs*
falafel_fiction: rock godfalafel_fiction on May 2nd, 2008 01:27 pm (UTC)
Welcome back, Janie! Good trip?

GO CHARLIE. You WIN at life even if you're dead.

LMAo. Thanks for that comment. You really tickled. I'm not planning on watching this episode (seriously, the Jate stuff might cause me to lose the will to live), so could you give me the low down on the scene where Hurley talks about his Charlie visits? I love that he is pissed about the Aaron thing. He really needs to come and kick off at Jack/Kate in person.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost hurleyjanie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
The trip was awesome! Tonight I'm making the detailed pictured post ;)

The Jack/Kate definitely made me sick. While it worked for the story and was good writing regarding him (while it wasn't regarding her but that isn't the point) it completely sickened me for how much I hate those two together so I absolutely get that. About the Hurley scene, it went more or less like this.

Jack goes into Hurley's room after the doctor tells him Hurley doesn't take meds anymore, Jack goes in and Hurley tells him that the O6 are all dead and there's no point in what they're doing. Then Jack told him that it was nonsense, Hurley asked him what he did that day. Jack answered that he woke up, went to work etc, I think that Hurley called him on living with Kate and Aaron saying that it seemed like he didn't want anything to do with the kid. Jack answered that after the trial he changed idea and then Hurley told him that Charlie visits him more or less regularly (and I guess it implied that he doesn't try to avoid ghost!Charlie anymore). Then Jack asked him what they talked about and Hurley answered that Charlie had a message for Jack and that he wrote it down in order to report it right. So he takes out this piece of paper, unfolds it and reads 'You're not supposed to raise him', at which Jack starts getting angry and makes to leave. He advises Hurley to take the meds and Hurley tells him that Charlie also says that someone is going to visit Jack soon, too (which was later proved true since Jack's dad showed up). During all of this Hurley at one point between saying they were dead and calling Jack on the Aaron thing has started crying and there was this single tear out of his eye which was absolutely heartbreaking. Maybe you'd like it if I split that scene only and put it on youtube or somewhere? It was really touching, I think you'd like it.

He really needs to come and kick off at Jack/Kate in person.

Thankfully Jack did all the job himself ;) I'd have never imagined I'd have approved of him breaking up with Kate while half drunk and on meds but I'm ashamed to say I did..
falafel_fiction: best budsfalafel_fiction on May 2nd, 2008 01:59 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah! I would like to see that one scene. I'm worried though. I don't like the thought that Charlie is causing Hurley to have a break down. Hopefully Charlie and Hurley are on the same page now and Charlie is standing up for what is right, even though Hurley is having a tough time dealing with it. Please don't let em mess up the Charlie/Hurley friendship.

The rest of the ep doesn't appeal to me. No Sayid/Des. Too much triangle. Danielle and Karl's corpses (charming). Meh...Though it is nice that Sun/Jin got to do something. That doesn't happen often.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost jinjanie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 02:06 pm (UTC)
Jin was a total blast. I loved him, oh yes.

The impression I had was that Hurley was pretty much in the acceptance step of the thing even if he was pretty much shaken and probably didn't still embrace the active way of dealing with it instead of the passive. Anyway, I'm cutting that scene soon and upload it as soon as I'm back from the university ;)

No Sayid/Des was BAD. At least last week there was Sayid. *sigh*
the female ghost of tom joad: lost hurleyjanie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
falafel_fiction: drunken desfalafel_fiction on May 2nd, 2008 04:01 pm (UTC)
Oh! Thank you. Thank you! I love you. And you are right...I did love this scene.

I liked how Hurley said that hanging out with Charlie was "kinda cool actually" (hugs them on their special bench!) And I loved how Charlies message got under Jacks skin. I think Desmond would approve of the message, brutha! And also...okay I'm gonna go wacko too and say that I think Hurley could be right. Maybe the FFs are purgatory (?). Maybe the 06 are all "dead but here". From the looks of the next episode with Horace "I've been dead 12 years" Goodspeed, not to mention Christian, Charlie, etc it seems the dead can still play active roles. Imagine if the finale shocker is 06 leaving by helicopter then the chopper crashing and sinking in the ocean. Now that would surprise me!
the female ghost of tom joad: lost des/charliejanie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 04:10 pm (UTC)
I'd kinda like that. It means ZOMBIE SEASON! And I think I'd love a zombie season muchly right now. So much.

I knew you were going to love it. It was so much a great scene. And Jack was so totally upset at that... well, can't blame the Charlie and Hurley team. I'll help you squishing them together on that bench.

Yeah, seems like we get Horace. Which is awesome but damnit why can't I see the only dead one I actually want to see in his spirit self right now? Especially because Locke needs a push in the right direction. This season has been a total failure in Locke terms and the funny thing is that I want to like him. I really want to. But with the current writing, while it isn't OOC, I can't. Since The Brig more or less. I've just cut him an insane amount of slack up to now but if he doesn't even provide me ghost!Boone I may give up on him for good. Thinking that he used to be my fourth favorite character or something..
falafel_fiction: rock godfalafel_fiction on May 2nd, 2008 05:22 pm (UTC)
I'd love Boone to return too. Hell, I think I'd rather hang out with the deadies than the living these days. Now Danielles joined the Other side it is definitely the cool place to be. Well, I'm sure Boone is getting a shout out in the O6 press confrence. I don't know if we'll see him though. I'm doubting we'll see Charlie again in S4. Christian seems like the boss of undeadness.

Locke was once in my top 5 favs too. But now he doesn't seem at all guilty that most of his camp have been killed. He told those people to come with him if they wanted to live and then when they came under attack Locke did nothing to protect them!!
the female ghost of tom joad: lost lockejanie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 09:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's just... apart from the guilt (which has been an issue with me since, what, 1x19?, but that at the time actually was rightly handled IMHO since I never hated Locke for that mess), he really looks like a shadow of his former self. Which is sad because he was a great character.

Agreed about all the dead people paragraph, except that the boss is Boone and Christian just pretends to ;) it'd definitely be cooler there. And I'd totally hang out with them, oh yes.
Bloody Rock God: jack uptonaussiephil on May 2nd, 2008 02:10 pm (UTC)
CHRISTIAN IS ONE OF THE ZOMBIE SEASON SIX!
the female ghost of tom joad: lost dead boone & charliejanie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
I WANT THE ZOMBIE SEASON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the female ghost of tom joad: lost kate (!!!!)janie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 03:17 pm (UTC)
No, from your POV is absolutely right ;) I am the one doing the non-canon shipping, I am the one that gets the whole thing wrong probably ;)

AMEN. Oh Juliet. I really have to write J/J now. Clearly, in denial.

That theory, seeing what happened with Claire, is the best I can come up with. But surely is more interesting than what we had supposed (Claire gives Kate the baby/Claire is dead).

I'm done with sentimentalism. What she is doing for Sawyer is dangerous, implies the use of guns, has to do with the überstory, and has nothing to do with, "please, tell my daughter I love her" Please-

I so hope you're right. I'd LOVE that.

Because that's Kate. I'm like in Heaven now. My kate is back. My kate is back. My kate is back! :D

I read your review and yeah, makes sense. God, Kate made sense to me. Yay! ;)
elliotsmelliot: claireelliotsmelliot on May 2nd, 2008 02:58 pm (UTC)
Did Jin go to Sayid's torture afternoon class?

He sure did. They were in between Alex's basket weaving classes and Desmond's chest baring seminar. Go Jin & Sun!

So Hurley has kinda accepted the ghost!Charlie? I'm sure they have long talks.

I want to see more of this. Poor Hurley, assuming they are all dead.

So that's how Jack started going downhill. I sincerely hoped it was because he was seeing Boone and not his dad but however.

I guess Boone is reserved for Locke only. Maybe soon, though?

Jack, you're a masochist. I still love you but you are.

No kidding, but me too!

I was also impressed with the Aaron/Claire situation. Much more interesting than I expected. I hope this is not the last we see of Claire until 2009.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost jack **janie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 03:21 pm (UTC)
He sure did. They were in between Alex's basket weaving classes and Desmond's chest baring seminar. Go Jin & Sun!

Hell yes. Now you make me think about a crack bunny I had months ago where everyone on the island did a seminar for the others' benefit. Like, Sawyer taught American Literature, Jack had a science class, Charlie a popular music one and Boone one on the history of pacifism in the 70s or something like that. I never went with it because it'd have gotten too long though.

Poor Hurley indeed! *hugs*

I guess Boone is reserved for Locke only. Maybe soon, though?

Yeah, I suppose that too. It's not like he actually has reasons in canon to haunt Jack of everyone. Though he'd better show up with Locke. Maybe he'd redeem him to me right now. Damn, it's crazy that I actually want to like Locke again and it's one season and a half that I just can't.

I hope this is not the last we see of Claire until 2009.

I hope not, either! Though I suspect it.
weehobbit: LOST -- juliet - you had a bad dayweehobbit on May 2nd, 2008 04:23 pm (UTC)
I did a lot of eyerolling during the Jack/Kate scenes. Bah. I don't like it either. And it pretty much killed the Jack/Juliet shipper in me. "I know you're awake" :((( I want to give her a hug. Why can't anyone (non-creepy! ha) love her.

I like your speculation on how Kate gets Aaron from Sawyer. Sounds probable to me :)

Srsly. Need more Sayid and Desmond! Looks like we'll be seeing them next week!

Charlie! Isn't he kind of echoing what the psychic told Claire about how only Claire can raise the baby, no one else? Brings back the creepiness about how maybe the baby has this evil power or something, heh. I hope they bring him back for a few more scenes though, I'd like that!
the female ghost of tom joad: lost julietjanie_tangerine on May 2nd, 2008 05:08 pm (UTC)
The J/K totally made me eyeroll every time they were on screen together. Except when he proposed and there I kinda threw up.

Juliet wins. She doesn't deserve that :( *hugs*

If it goes like I said I may even get that storyline. It's kinda interesting at least.

Srsly. Need more Sayid and Desmond! Looks like we'll be seeing them next week!

WORD. I WANT MY TEAM AWESOME BACK. *sighs*

Charlie is def. echoing the psychic. And that baby is damn creepy. If he wasn't born exactly when Boone was dying maybe I'd like him more lol ;)

That'd be too good if the psychic was back! Let's hope..
pinkeraserdustpinkeraserdust on May 3rd, 2008 12:12 am (UTC)
Denial Jack/Kate. Xd Lovely.
alemyrddin: Jack smilealemyrddin on May 5th, 2008 01:57 pm (UTC)
Finalmente l'ho visto anch'io, non vedevo l'ora di commentare!

1. Niente da aggiungere. E concordo totalmente anche sull'1bis. Jack non ha mai usato quella frase prima, è un segno!

2. Seems like going insane is his best way to sanity. I completely agree about Kate (duh!) and the proposal was abrupt and wrong, but his worry about being a father was so sweet, and hearbreaking... I loved it.

5. I thought the same. In the end, I decided that she looks like Callie on Grey's anatomy. But it's not her.

TEAM KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOR
Such an appropriate name. Oh Sawyer, I love you.

13. Interesting. But no, I don't think there's more. Btw, I though Keamy was dead, at Smoky's "hands"...*shrugs*

18. Sono d'accordo.

20-23 Finally Jin and Sun had something to do! And Jin had really good scenes, too.

25. The only grown up in the whole thing apart from Rambo & wife and she doesn't have a chance. Oh Juliet. I'll echo that. *sighs*

28. I think you are right.

31. Continuity! Thank you! I was worried about you! That doens't make me less sad for Jack and Claire, though.

34-36. My money is on that as well. but WHY couldn't she just TELL him??? *headdesk*
And yes, his reaction was out of place, but STILL. Kate knows him, she must know about his trust issue, why does she have to go behind his back every single time? And how in hell can he still love her???
the female ghost of tom joad: lost jack **janie_tangerine on May 7th, 2008 12:19 pm (UTC)
1bis -> EVVAI. Almeno abbiamo una giustificazione!

2) If only it wasn't THAT kid. *sighs*

5) She was in Jericho! Or at least I had seen her there..

WE LOVE HIM.

25) *arisigh*

31) Yay continuity!

And yes, his reaction was out of place, but STILL. Kate knows him, she must know about his trust issue, why does she have to go behind his back every single time? And how in hell can he still love her???

He's a masochist and she's an idiot. Or at least that is my two cents ;) and I love him anyways *sighs*.
ladylavinialadylavinia on May 12th, 2008 05:52 am (UTC)
"I don't understand why Kate doing something from Clementine would have to be kept a secret from Jack. He'd give her a ride there, given how hard he's trying to be a good daddy himself, he'd sympathize with Sawyer the way he did when he told Kate he loved her. I'm not hating on Kate, btw, it simply doesn't make sense writingwise. I'm just Zen about her the way I was with Sarah in THP, I didn't hate Sarah either. It's BOTH their faults, Jack was about to marry Kate for reasons that were as wrong as him marrying Sarah. Nobody's going to agree with me, but they're WRONG for each other."


I agree with you completely. Some have stated that once Jack and Kate resolve their personal demons, they could reconcile and live happily ever after. I have this horrifying suspicion this is what Cuse and Lindehof intend. But I feel that this would be wrong. I think that the reason Jack and Kate have been attracted to each other, was due to their individual illusions about the other. If both of them DO resolve their personal demons, I believe they should realize that they were wrong for each other. For me, it is simply not their flaws that make them wrong for each other. Even if they were the most together couple in the world . . . I'm sorry, but I don't see the magic. A future with Jack and Kate together spells a future filled with a lot silence. In fact, I feel the same about Jack and Juliet.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost jack GUHjanie_tangerine on May 12th, 2008 09:44 pm (UTC)
I don't see it, too. It's a pairing that doesn't do a thing for me *sighs*.

And your username is my real name! Cool ;)