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24 April 2009 @ 01:16 pm
Supernatural 4x19 Jump The Shark  
Uhm, I don't know how I feel about this episode. I think I liked it but I can't say what was that didn't convince me. PS: there's talking for next episode's promo under the cut but I spaced it so that if someone wants to skip it it should be easy to.

1. So, point is, my favorite Winchester always was John since the second he appeared in S1. Which doesn't mean I can't see when he's wrong. And the point is that I could actually see the pattern here, I mean, him having a kid wasn't that improbable and once he knew I could see him trying to salvage at least him and trying to be a regular parent, which doesn't mean that I wasn't 'OMG DEAN ;_______________;' for this whole episode. God, it was such a blow for him. And Jensen completely rocked the episode.

2. .... DEAAAAAAAN ;____;. Yes, well, that was more or less it.

3. Wait, not really. I also loved Sam's development here, even if those two just want to make me cry. Really, they're just so desperate and hopeless, and Sam especially. Also if I think that at one point he was totally basking in the 'omg I am the older one' feeling.

4. The blood was irksome. Blah. I couldn't watch that. I mean, I averted my eyes from the screen every two seconds. Not as bad as Metamorphosis but close. Geez, poor Sam.

5. Even if I'll forgive the ghouls because that led to Dean/Sam touching. 'That's what family is for.' Aw, DEAN.

6. Also, I hadn't realized it until I read hopelessfangirl's review, but they're totally doing a Sam -> John and Dean -> Mary parallel which is kind of gold. And strange, if you think about S1, but totally makes sense.

7. THE ENDING, OMG. THAT SPEECH OF DEAN'S. AND NO, IT WASN'T A COMPLIMENT. DEAAAAN. ;_;

8. That was a monotone reaction. Btw, I hadn't guessed that Adam was dead since the beginning but anyway he couldn't have stayed alive. They can't afford to have a third brother around for good.

9. I think that's all. I still need to process it. Also, that actor wasn't that bad, which is mostly why I didn't bother too much.

TALKING FOR NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE BASED ON THE PROMO SO IF YOU DON'T WATCH THE PROMOS SKIP, I'LL LEAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR YOU TO SKIP IT BEFORE AND AFTER.










10. MISHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG CAN'T WAIT. I'm so ridiculously excited to see him playing a different part. MISHA!!!! ♥

11. So, the vessel's name is Jimmy.

Kudos, show, because in all the Dean/vessel fics I read there wasn't ONE where the name was Jimmy. You outsmarted us. Apart from that... the more I think about it the more I think it's suited.

12. Looks like everyone wants Cas back, Jimmy included.

13. I'm ridiculously excited. VESSEL BACKSTORY??? CAN'T WAIT.

14. Uhm... MISHAAAA!! ♥ yes. I'm over-excited. So fucking what? ;) ;)

15. Also, I love that Columbo trench. So fucking much.













END SPOILERS

16. Guess it's all really.
 
 
feeling: confusedconfused
on rotation: all night thing - temple of the dog
 
 
 
alemyrddin: alemyrddinalemyrddin on April 24th, 2009 12:33 pm (UTC)
I liked it, but yeah, there's such an inner sadness and hopelessness in this show, sometimes it's hard to watch. *sighs*

Also if I think that at one point he was totally basking in the 'omg I am the older one' feeling.
He definitely was enjoying being the big brother for once!
I too hadn't guessed he was already dead. But yeah - no way he would stay alive. *sighs*
However, I'm glad that Adam was really their brother, even though they didn't have the chance to know him,
the female ghost of tom joad: BJ rules and it's a factjanie_tangerine on April 24th, 2009 05:19 pm (UTC)
I'm not really hoping for it to end well. *sigh* Ah well, we'll see.

Sam was totally enjoying it, wasn't he? Well, for once in his life...

I knew he wasn't going to live from the beginning, having a third brother in would have caused a major problem considering how things are set on that show, but I wasn't expecting him to be dead already. Well, for once they completely fooled me. And yeah, considering how it went I'm glad he was too, especially because if it ended up being a fake thing then it'd have been pretty much pointless.
Fangirlage like WHOA.: SPN // Mish - WHOA DUDEhopelessfangirl on April 24th, 2009 05:07 pm (UTC)
I felt so terribly for Dean as well. I mean, yeah, I'm a Dean girl, but I really couldn't wrap my mind around Sam's immediately accepting reaction. It just caused me more confusion on top of sorting out how I felt about this real half-brother.

"Also if I think that at one point he was totally basking in the 'omg I am the older one' feeling."

I did think that was pretty cute! Maybe Dean reacted so harshly because Sam was enough to take care of and he didn't want TWO little brothers to look after. ;) lol.

I think they established the Sam&John parallel back in S1 when they were always butting heads (because they're both so stubborn), but the Dean&Mary parallel didn't come till later when we got to know more about Mary and it was more subtle than the Sam&John parallel. I adore both similarities so much.

THAT LAST LINE KILLED ME. I forgot to mention it in my own thought post, but that was an epic line. Not only does it show how Dean feels about Sam, but it also shows how John's sort of fallen from being his hero and idol. It's rather hertbreaking.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE JIMMY, OMG. Just the name makes me happy. Possibly because I used to have a crush on a guy named Jimmy, but also because it reminds me of Jimminey Cricket or something, and I expect Jimmy to be equally as whimsical and fun. I need help.
the female ghost of tom joad: misha collinsjanie_tangerine on April 24th, 2009 05:17 pm (UTC)
LOL well we both need help in regards of Jimmy because the more I think about it the more I want next episode to air already. LOL. I swear I'm so excited for Jimmy! If Dean cracks some Jimmy Page joke I'll die. Or something. AND OMG MISHA!!!! Okay, yes, I'm hopeless.

Oh, Dean girl all the way, too. Of the two alive of course, I was a John girl to begin with. ;) Sam looked to me like really a little too quick accepting it, but it's kind of a Sam thing to do thinking about it.

Sam was enough to take care of and he didn't want TWO little brothers to look after. ;)

LOL totally!!! Another one and poor Dean would probably commit suicide, except that I doubt Heaven would let him.

The Sam/John parallel was there in S1 alright but it's so true about the Dean/Mary later on. And btw, I miss John.

THE LAST LINE OMG. ;___; And yeah, it is rather heartbreaking indeed. Poor Dean, now that John isn't living up to the hero standard anymore he really does have a hole in there. Argh. ;___;
Fangirlage like WHOA.: SPN // Mish - WHOA DUDEhopelessfangirl on April 25th, 2009 06:11 am (UTC)
LOL, hopeless Misha cases like us have to stick together. ;) Also, you have to always use that icon when responding to anything I say as long as you have it on your icon rotation, cause it makes me so gleeful. Hee!

"Another one and poor Dean would probably commit suicide, except that I doubt Heaven would let him."

LOL SO TRUE. As soon as he did it, Cas would show up, haul him by the collar and be like, ".....no."
the female ghost of tom joad: misha collinsjanie_tangerine on April 25th, 2009 10:55 am (UTC)
DEAL, you're stuck with this icon or the Clint one forever because I can't see me changing them anytime soon. ;)

LOL, totally. And Dean would be like, 'please, my life became even more of a mess!', and Cas would be like 'well, you have a point but NO anyway'. Poor Dean, poor Dean.
Zelda: Dean Lostzelda_zee on April 24th, 2009 06:09 pm (UTC)
I loved this ep, but I just seem to like the super-angsty ones. Can't help myself. I get how you'd have mixed feelings if you were protective of John. John's a good character, but I never actually liked him and to me, the way he treated Adam seemed pretty believable. It hurt though.

Next week should be interesting!
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural JOHN XQjanie_tangerine on April 24th, 2009 10:18 pm (UTC)
Oh, I love the super-angsty ones too, and I liked this one, but it just has something I can't exactly pinpoint that didn't convince me. Or maybe I was already with my head at next week's since I've been waiting for the next one since I saw the promo pics some time ago. About John, I think that the way he treated Adam was perfectly believable but I still think it was going a bit too far with the character, or at least while it does make sense that he'd behave like this it still didn't feel right on screen. And eh, I was into SPN for John actually at the beginning, so I guess I'll have to process it.
Kros_21kros_21 on April 24th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
Hey Lavi!
l'episodio mi è piaciuto ma non in effetti c'è qualcosa che mi ha lasciato un po' wtd?
forse è tutta sta Sam come John crap.... è chiaro ormai da un po' che Sam è diventato il nuovo John ma a me piaceva di più come il ribelle della situazione sai? E poi Dean che ha passato tutta la vita a venerare quell'uomo e a criticare Sam perchè non lo rispettava e adesso che Sam e John due la vendetta Dean entra in puzza. bah!
XD

Cmq mi sono piaciuti i momentucci di "you me and the Impala", il fatto che Dean salva Sam e che è talmente preoccupato di dover condividere Sam con qulacun'altro che proprio non vuole accettare che Adam sia loro fratello eh? :P

*hugs*

the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural dean/samjanie_tangerine on April 24th, 2009 10:21 pm (UTC)
Ma salve!

Eh stessa cosa.. cioè boh era un bell'episodio eh, solo che c'era qualcosa che non mi convinceva per niente... sarà che avevo il metro di paragone di quello prima ed è difficilino raggiungerlo XDD

Mm, Dean penso stiano cercando di fare un parallelo con Mary e devo dire che la cosa ha un che di interessante ma devo concedere che Sam mi piaceva di più prima.

You, me and the impala era fantastico *_*

l fatto che Dean salva Sam e che è talmente preoccupato di dover condividere Sam con qulacun'altro che proprio non vuole accettare che Adam sia loro fratello eh? :P

LOL vedi che l'ha accettato solo quando ha scoperto che era già morto... ;) ;) ma povero Dean, gliela sto tirando proprio XD però la scena dove fasciava i polsi a Sam valeva tutto l'episodio IMHO. ♥

Lou: supernatural - John b&wgottalovev on April 24th, 2009 10:31 pm (UTC)
thanks so much for the spacing, I ALWAYS appreciate things like that and I think it should be said. *bisous*

now... OH DEAN. ;_; how much can life hit on the boy, huh? I think he gets a very good shot at gold for daddy issues. and I absolutely adore John too, and if you want to read, dodger_winslow (I hope I spelled that right!) has a very interesting reaction to the episode (she's a hardcore John girl)
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural JOHN XQjanie_tangerine on April 24th, 2009 10:50 pm (UTC)
Oh, no problem for that. I know how it is and really, it doesn't cost nothing and I really don't want to spoil stuff. I know I hate it when it happens.

AND OH, DEAN ;_____; really, squish him much? I think he does have that very good shot, as long as you don't put him in competition with Lost people. ;)

Oh, thanks for linking that post! I read it and it was extremely interesting. She does completely have a point and I think that I kind of thought the same thing. And she's absolutely right by the way, even if I can't say I adored it. I mean, I had more or less the same idea and while I look at the ep. there really wasn't another way they could have handled it and I don't think it weakens the character at all, but it just didn't leave me enthusiastic. Or maybe I was just too worried seeing it from Dean's perspective, but I thought it was a good ep. I just wish I knew what was it that didn't sell the whole package deal completely but maybe I'll re-watch it sometime soon.
halfdutch: JDM by lasamyhalfdutch on April 25th, 2009 06:24 am (UTC)
I remain a John fan too. How can you not be?

And ditto the "Oh Dean!"

I suspected Adam was not on the level but that was still ... ouch! Of course he couldn't stay alive but that was a bit rough.
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural JOHN XQjanie_tangerine on April 25th, 2009 10:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, it was kinda rough that he wasn't alive since the beginning. I guess smart on their part because I totally hadn't seen it coming but still. I knew he couldn't have possibly survived, but still.

I think the only consensual reaction was the 'Oh Dean!'. ;) And yeah, John fan until the end. ;)