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05 May 2010 @ 02:44 pm
Lost 6x14, 'The Candidate' - also, this is not my usual review format..  
... because I should watch it again to do it in the usual review format, but right now I can't see myself doing it.

Dear Darlton,

thank you so much for offing in one single episode 80% of the people I gave a damn about. I hope for you that next week or whenever it reduces to 60% and we find out that Frank didn't die, if only because while everything suggests that he is toast, you didn't mention him once in the interview with EW which you gave, which I read before running off to class this morning. And since I can't believe he was that unimportant not to deserve a mention, I'm choosing to believe that he isn't dead until I see the body. Anyway. I hope for you that you didn't kill him too, because if you did, as stated, 80% of the people I gave a damn about are gone and in one single episode, which forgive me but doesn't exactly make me all that happy. Right? Right.

Of course, it's not like you did things badly. I mean, I was sure that Sayid would have died way long before S6 if only because he was my second-favorite character and no one I like ever survives, but at this point I feared he was going to die a zombie and at least he died the heroic death he deserved and after telling us that his boyfriend who's hidden I can't remember where made him feel again but still. Was there the need to ever do the whole zombie thing? Did you really need to off him to prove that he was a good guy? You know, death doesn't automatically mean the most awesome outcome.

Anyway. Then I still am all ;______________; over Sayid and THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR KILLING SUN AND JIN AT ONCE, therefore eliminating the only functioning couple that was still around, orphaning their daughter and making me go even more ;_____________________;. I'm not saying it wasn't heartbreaking, and I'm not saying you should have done it differently because hey, at least they died together which felt fitting after they were separated for so long, but THE EPISODE AFTER THE REUNION? Jesus. Way to go and off all the good characters. Also, I'm not re-ranting at you about Frank again because since he was having the dubious luck of being my current favorite character even if he had zilch to do he's the one I should be more pissed about, but I'm choosing to believe he isn't dead. If only because you didn't mention him. And by the way, thanks for giving him a couple of badass moments, at least.

That said, I'll concede you something: thanks for giving us some Jack/Sawyer after two seasons of NOTHING, except that of course I can't enjoy it 100% because I'm headdesking at all the fuckery Sawyer is doing on the submarine. Thanks again for that. By the way, if you want to make Jack Jacob's substitute, KUDOS ON BEING TOTALLY OBVIOUS. I'd really like to see another outcome if only because that one was predictable since we knew about the candidates.

Then, in the EW interview, you go and say that you need to off all those people because you need to make a point that f!Locke is really bad/evil because for the rest of the season he was trying to make us believe the contrary.

SERIOUSLY? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY? Fine, Terry O' Quinn is good at what he does, but you can't seriously think that no one had suspected that F!Locke was evil on the inside. Jesus. Really? We had understood that IN THE S5 FINALE. There was no need. And let me tell you again: F!Locke = the worst mistake you ever made. Period.

Also, I'll give it to you: the alt, this round, was good. I was happy to see Bernard, I was happy to see alt!Jack reconnecting with Claire who is thankfully sane and cute and S1 like (oh, btw: island!Claire = in the top five mistakes you made. She makes me miss Danielle every fucking time she's on screen. And I really used to love Claire. Kudos), the whole Locke thing was interesting even if pheeeew, Jesus, Locke, get smart. Seeing Helen was lovely again too, and btw, thanks for showing Jin with the flowers just after he died in the regular timeline. Still, if you're going where you think I'm going I'll hate you. A lot.

Also, thanks again for NOT GIVING A SINGLE ANSWER. You have three episodes to make up for it. Will you freaking start to explain something? Because if you keep it all for the finale, even if it's two and a half hours, it'll just make it seem rushed.

WHATEVER. The fact that I ranted at you until now means that in the end I care about what goes on on this show, which I guess is your point, but sorry if I don't like where you're going. Not one bit. I want to believe that you know what you're doing, but the problem is that I think I know what you're doing, and since it's the same thing that made me want to kill Stephen King some six years ago... yeah, yeah, whatever. I'll wait until it's over and judge then, but let me tell you again: apart from the Jack/Sawyer which for once was GOOD and the lovely implied Desmond/Sayid, even if you did things right considering what they were doing, this episode completely made me want to smack you in the face. As much as I had wanted when I saw The Variable, aka the one Lost episode I will never re-watch again and which I think started to make me think that you sort of didn't know what the fuck you were doing. Or maybe you do and it's nonsense, but whatever. (By the way: killing Daniel = worst move of the last three seasons after f!Locke. But it's the umpteenth time I say that, so.) Also, goddammit, S4 was the Ben show and now that I actually don't dislike him as much he and RICHARD aka someone who should be important DISAPPEAR for five episodes? Along with Miles whom I sorely miss? Jesus, learn to balance stuff.

Anyway. I'll try not to be negative from now on. Consider this me ranting at you for everything I didn't like this season. I don't trust you to surprise me positively (more, I trust you to go the way I think you're going), but I will be indeed very happy if you manage to do that.

Also, (highlighted in white if someone doesn't watch the promos for next week) I didn't think I'd cheer for an episode without regulars and basically just starring Jacob & used-to-be-Silas, but you know what, I'm fucking glad that it's just that because I'm sure that as soon as we're back to the regular timeline someone else will die and I really would rather do without, so yay Jacob and yay probably Supernatural references.

That was pretty much all. I really, really hope you'll surprise me positively. I really do. I'm not even asking you to make much sense. But whatever, we'll see.

Shaking her fist in disapproval of the killing spree and headdesking,

me.

And, an additional very short note to Eric Kripke which you can skip if you don't watch SPN.

Dear Kripke,

considering that I just realized that I can't take people I like in my shows dying like flies, please don't kill Castiel off. I don't care if next season he doesn't have a storyline. Just don't kill Castiel in the finale. I can't take that after what the show your show is a OTP with did to me.

Thanks,

me.
 
 
feeling: discontentdiscontent
 
 
 
elliotsmelliot: Frankelliotsmelliot on May 5th, 2010 01:21 pm (UTC)
Wordy McWord Word to your entire letter.

I love your hope that Frank is alive. Let's hope!

SERIOUSLY? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY? Fine, Terry O' Quinn is good at what he does, but you can't seriously think that no one had suspected that F!Locke was evil on the inside. Jesus. Really? We had understood that IN THE S5 FINALE.

Or the pilot. Or when he killed Eko. Or when he slapped Claire. Or when he threw Desmond down a while. Oooh, not I get it. He is EVIL!

Also, goddammit, S4 was the Ben show and now that I actually don't dislike him as much he and RICHARD aka someone who should be important DISAPPEAR for five episodes? Along with Miles whom I sorely miss? Jesus, learn to balance stuff.

I said to Mr. E.S. last night that I was bored when it was Ben, Ben, Ben all the time. But fuck, he has more charisma than any other villain. Bring back the Ben show! I'll even take more of Richard's hissy fits. I want to know ho Miles has faired with them! I'm hoping it is them who find Desmond in the well.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost frank 2.0janie_tangerine on May 5th, 2010 03:40 pm (UTC)
Amen. :(

I hope indeed! Damn, we didn't exactly see him die, right? I mean, he just got drowned by the water, but... I can't remember seeing him faint or something. And they would mention him or put him in the casualties list wandersfound linked down there since he's always a regular. Ah well, I'll totally delude myself until further notice. ;)

Yeah. EXACTLY. Or, practically whenever he DID something. But of course, it takes doing this to make us realize how evil he is! *rolls eyes* I mean, say 'we just wanted to kill a bunch of people at once' and be done with it.

Fuck, he has more charisma than any other villain. Bring back the Ben show! I'll even take more of Richard's hissy fits.

IKR? I'd have never thought I'd miss the Ben show, but right now I want it back so much it isn't even funny. Him, Richard and Miles. It'd be cool if they found Desmond! Well, we'll see I guess. They'd better have cooked up something that makes up for this.
bold_seer: that jacob guybold_seer on May 5th, 2010 02:01 pm (UTC)
Kate gets a little wound, the ones we surely care about more die? Just like that? Be over soon, show. I don't seem to give a damn any longer.

And hey, brain twin/tag twin! May I ask you of a fairly small SPN-related favour?
the female ghost of tom joad: lost richard/jacobjanie_tangerine on May 5th, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC)
THAT, THAT, THAT. After this... damn, I still give a damn, but not half as much as I used to. And Jesus, I'm kind of happy that Boone died when he did back then. At least he still got a decent offing. Seriously.

Sure thing, tag twin! ;) either PM me or send me a mail at janiedean1919@yahoo.it :D
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the female ghost of tom joad: dark tower roland/eddiejanie_tangerine on May 5th, 2010 03:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it wasn't objectively a bad episode, but... NOT THREE OF THEM AT ONCE, FUCK THIS. I hadn't been this angry since Charlie, I think. Even if Charlie had made a lot more sense. Maybe since Daniel. :(((( ;_____________;

AND OMG YES YES YES. Hey, he's still a regular, right? Right? I mean, maybe he's not that major but he's still billed as a regular, so... GOOD NEWS. For me it's good news. I don't want to contemplate the alternative if I can delude myself that he's not dead. :((((
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the female ghost of tom joad: lost hippie winsjanie_tangerine on May 5th, 2010 03:37 pm (UTC)
IKR? :(((((

AND GOOD. The Frank-is-not-dead boat has to sail, dammit. :// And if he died I WANT THEM TO RECOGNIZE IT, they can't possibly just ignore it. Therefore, Frank is alive until I have further proof and I do-not-accept another option. The other three were already too much.

I DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO DIE DAMMIT. Even though I'm expecting it at this point. :///
Laura: Lost: Richard crackpolvodestrella on May 5th, 2010 03:52 pm (UTC)
Wow, that was intense O_O

I agree about what you say about next episode (and well, with a lot o fthings you said here).. At this point it's just obvious that the end is here, and hell, I'm not sure of how many deaths I can take anymore. It hurts so bad :/

Ever since I saw Cooper in the episode, there's something that I have been wondering: if Sawyer went to Australia to find "Sawyer" (the con-artist, Anthony Cooper), why is Cooper in Los Angeles, being a vegetale? Who did Sawyer found in Australia, then, if it wasn't Cooper?
the female ghost of tom joad: lost FRANK IS THEY KEY BITCHESjanie_tangerine on May 5th, 2010 03:59 pm (UTC)
It was. And er, oops, I had started it not wanting to go intense... but ha, I just put all my issues in one post. ;)

I don't want to take any more deaths. :((( At this point I'd be glad to watch the Jacob/MIB show for a month if it means no one dies.

... duh. Right. THAT'S a point. I never thought about it. Maaaybe then the Sawyer in the alt is someone else and not Cooper? Augh, continuity, you break my brain. I just wish they told it straight at this point...

Edited at 2010-05-05 04:00 pm (UTC)
Aurillyaurilly on May 5th, 2010 04:11 pm (UTC)
I just watched it. HATE. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE.

And tears.

I really have no words for this. I mean, I was so happy to see Sayid being all MacGyver again, but why did he have to bite it? WHY? WHY???? And Jin AND Sun?

As for Frank... no body, no death. Your icon will come into play.

Team Richard had better come back raring next week!!

I can't even talk about this episode. I'm just angry. Killing everyone is not an answer!!! It is not an ending! It is just weak. And Sayid had the potential to go out so much more awesomely as a character than that. They should never have done the claiming. NEVER. It was stupid and pointless and awful. The problem was always that Sayid was too smart, and in order for this season 6 Flocke plotline to work, they couldn't have a smart character. But Darlton wanted to keep his ninja. Hence the claming. I am angry.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost FRANK IS THEY KEY BITCHESjanie_tangerine on May 5th, 2010 04:20 pm (UTC)
Word to everything ESPECIALLY THE LAST PARAGRAPH? I can't... uuuugh. SAYID, FUCK THIS. He still was my second-favorite and just... I CAN'T TAKE IT GODDAMMIT. I don't even want to take it. Why the hell should I? :(((((((((((( SAYID, THERE WAS NO NEED FOR YOU TO DO IT, ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU FINALLY WERE BACK TO YOURSELF. ;_____; Jin and Sun was... pointless. Unless they needed to prove their F!Locke point and really, we didn't need that. We didn't need that.

Team Richard had better come back raring next week!!

Really? I miss team Richard. A LOT. AND BEN IS ON IT. WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO.

no body, no death.

THIIIS. THIS. THIS. I choose not to say that he died until I have further proof of it. I CAN'T DEAL WITH FRANK AND SAYID DYING AT THE SAME TIME.

Killing everyone is not an answer!!! It is not an ending! It is just weak. And Sayid had the potential to go out so much more awesomely as a character than that.

This. This. I'm just glad he didn't go out a zombie. At least. And I am too. And Jesus I'd have never thought I'd be thankful for Boone getting offed in S1, but if this was the alternative....
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the female ghost of tom joad: lost frank 2.0janie_tangerine on May 5th, 2010 04:28 pm (UTC)
FRANK :(((((((((((((((((( HE CAN'T BE DEAD. :(
Creature Of Hobbit: joined by the gods of fortunetellshannon815 on May 5th, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
Agree with all of that. Do they seriously think no one had realised he was evil??

But speaking of evil, killing Sun and Jin and denying them the chance to reunite with Ji Yeon, and yes killing off the one functional couple - THAT was evil.

Esau, I'm done with you.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost jacobjanie_tangerine on May 6th, 2010 08:09 pm (UTC)
Do they seriously think no one had realised he was evil??

Sometimes I think they question the intelligence of their audience. Srsly. IT DIDN'T TAKE A DEGREE TO GET THAT HE WAS EVIL. I'm done with him too, not that I was ever having anything to do with him. I always was on team Jacob if I had to choose.

But speaking of evil, killing Sun and Jin and denying them the chance to reunite with Ji Yeon, and yes killing off the one functional couple - THAT was evil.

Amen, sister. Amen.
Mushishimushishi7 on May 6th, 2010 01:58 am (UTC)
Geez, you said almost everything I wanna say or yell out! This episode is really unbalanced. Maybe they are short of time and just tried to clean up all *unnecessary* characters?! I've never considered Flocke NOT evil. He has killed so many other people aside from the candidates for fuck's sake! I almost cried my eyes out for Sun and Jin. That's just too cruel!
the female ghost of tom joad: jus in bello jensen + guitar <3janie_tangerine on May 6th, 2010 08:11 pm (UTC)
Augh. This left me with such a bitter taste in my mouth. It wasn't BAD per se, but offing 80% of the people I gave a damn about was too much for one episode. And yeah, I can see that they're offing everyone in the end, BUT DO THEY REALLY NEED THAT ANYWAY? And yeah, did they really think that anyone would have actually thought that F!Locke wasn't evil. Jeeeez. Sun and Jin = ;________________; srsly.
Fangirlage like WHOA.: LOST // J&S - Waiting For Dawnhopelessfangirl on May 6th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)
I'm starting to wonder if Frank's still alive as well cause Ausiello gave a vague answer about Frank in his latest round of questions, so I'M GONNA CROSS MY FINGERS FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh, if Sun and Jin didn't have Ji Yeon, I would be significantly less upset about their demise. I'd still be completely heartbroken, but knowing now that Ji Yeon had a chance to meet her dad but that chance AND her mother were taken away just makes me want to jump off a cliff somewhere. ;__________;

THE SAVING GRACE IS JACK/SAWYER, WHICH I STASHED AWAY IN THE BACK OF MY BRAIN TO FLAIL OVER LATER DUE TO BEING BUSY SOBBING MY FACE OFF OVER SUN, JIN, SAYID (AND FRANK?). Except, like you said, Sawyer's going to have all this guilt and everything will be so fucked up. I really need to sue Dalrton for emotional distress.

Oh God, SPN finale is even sooner. I hope I don't need to sue Kripke, too. Actually, I could still sue him over Ellen and Jo.

If you need me, I'll be over here picking up the shards of my heart.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost jack/sawyerjanie_tangerine on May 6th, 2010 08:15 pm (UTC)
AUGH ME TOO. I DON'T WANT FRANK TO DIE. HE WAS MY SECOND-FAVORITE, DAMMIT. :((((((((( I <333 FRANK, HE CAN'T BE DEAD LIKE THAT. IT WAS EVEN MORE STUPID THAN DANIEL, OR AT THE SAME LEVEL.

now that Ji Yeon had a chance to meet her dad but that chance AND her mother were taken away just makes me want to jump off a cliff somewhere. ;__________;

THAT. After thinking about that I did realize that people saying that Jin should have gotten out and tried to get to her had a point, but still, I can't really fault him at that. Though seriously. WAS THERE EVEN A POINT? ;______________; *BAWLS*

JACK/SAWYER WAS TOTALLY THE SAVING GRACE EXCEPT THAT OF COURSE IT HAS TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY OFF EVERYONE I LIKE MY FAVORITE GODDAMN CHARACTER INCLUDED (SAYIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDD ;____________;) AND I CAN'T PROPERLY SQUEE ABOUT IT. Also Sawyer? Pffff. Guilt issues? I SEE THEM COMING. From a mile away. I need to sue them with you too.

I think I will need to sue Kripke anyway because I'm sure that whatever happens I'll be heartbroken, BUT IF CASTIEL DIES SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO COME PICK ME UP WITH A SPOON. And if it happens I'm suing him with you over that, Ellen, Jo AND ASH, GODDAMMIT. :///

*clings* <33333333333333333
valhalla37valhalla37 on May 7th, 2010 03:08 pm (UTC)
FRAAAAAAAANK!

I'm still holding out slight hope he managed to escape the sub before it sank and that's why his death isn't mentioned anywhere, rather than him actually dying and everyone just conveniently forgetting he existed in the first place.

this episode completely made me want to smack you in the face. As much as I had wanted when I saw The Variable, aka the one Lost episode I will never re-watch again and which I think started to make me think that you sort of didn't know what the fuck you were doing.

I know you hated that they killed Daniel (which, right there with ya, buddy) but I'm curious as to what exactly in The Variable didn't work for you?

Fine, Terry O' Quinn is good at what he does, but you can't seriously think that no one had suspected that F!Locke was evil on the inside. Jesus. Really? We had understood that IN THE S5 FINALE.

YEEEEESSSSS to all this as well. You were thinning the herd, guys. Not everyone could live into the finale because how can there be THE candidate when Sun and Jin and Frank and everyone else are running around? If you're going to have the balls to off four main characters in one episode, at least call a spade a spade.
the female ghost of tom joad: lost frank is awesomejanie_tangerine on May 7th, 2010 03:44 pm (UTC)
FRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK. ;____________________;

That, that, that. I can't conceive that they wouldn't even list him in the deaths if he was dead. He needs to have escaped it. He can't be dead. HE WAS MY SECOND FAVORITE DAMMIT, HE CAN'T HAVE!

Re The Variable: I actually loved the flashbacks, but. (sorry if I end up being way long here, lol). I had to go looking at my old review because I never saw it since then.

a) Not as much that they killed Daniel but how they killed Daniel. I knew he was a goner, but I hoped he'd get something like 'he died while making the bomb explode or figuring stuff out or sending them back to the regular timeline or anyway something GOOD' instead of that lame death he got. Jesus, killed by his own mother who doesn't know and then sends him there anyway when she realizes forty years later? I just, eugh.
b) It was full of Charles + Eloise and I can't stand either of them. Also half of the reason I didn't like S5 much was that they pushed them to be central characters when they barely appeared before and it felt like they wanted me to care and I kind of really didn't.
c) I wasn't invested at all in the Juliet/Sawyer/Dharma stuff and it was also full of that and I didn't care either. Also, since it was the 100th episode and they were all making parallels with The Constant I was expecting something at least as good as that and it just wasn't. Or at least, it was a good ep until the end and then the end made me completely disappointed and it kind of cheapened everything else imo. I mean, you have Jeremy Davies acting the hell out of it like that, you have a kind of good backstory (more or less), you have one of the only good new characters you managed to introduce and then you just waste him like that just for shock value (because he could have died in ten thousand more worthy ways)? It just felt completely useless. And all the way I just felt like they didn't know what they were doing, but until the end I was okay with it. Then they pulled Daniel dying on me and it was totally unworthy of the character, and that probably sealed the deal. Also it probably has something to do with having seen it back to back with what is probably my favorite Supernatural episode or at least in my top three so in comparison it lost impact, but I just felt disappointed all the way because I was expecting a lot more from it. :(

If you're going to have the balls to off four main characters in one episode, at least call a spade a spade.

Word. I mean, say that it was because you wanted to kill them and because you don't need as many people running around, don't use a lame excuse like that. Seriously. Uncool. :/