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11 June 2011 @ 03:19 pm
momentarily serious posting concerning tomorrow's referendum.  
I usually cut politics related things but I'm not doing it this time. And I know that probably most Italians on my FL are voting tomorrow and Monday, but I still want to state a couple things about it. I'll try to be brief.

So, tomorrow and Monday we're having a referendum here. It's about:

a) Whether to keep water supply a public business or not;
b) Whether nuclear energy should be an option;
c) Abrogating or not a law which states that the PM and people in charge of a ministry can't go on trial while they're in charge.

Especially because of B (which is a main point for this stupid government, who's stuck on building nuclear centrals in a country where we still haven't disposed of the nuclear waste from the eighties, where we can't dispose of trash and where it takes a 6.0 earthquake to destroy a city because we build cheap, not safe) and because of C (since the PM has currently four trials going on and other about to start, including the one about paying underage girls to have sex with him), they gave this no space in the news. The public broadcasting received fines because they didn't air information about the referendum in the right spaces, and a bunch of politicians including the PM are being like 'this is useless, I'm not going to vote'. Clearly they don't want people to go - if 50% of the people who can vote do it and -yes- wins, PM = fucked. Nuclear program = fucked. Privatizing water = fucked. If we don't reach the quorum, it's for nothing and they do whatever the hell they want. And this had also happened years ago with a referendum about artificial impregnation and researching on embryos - same government and Church said not to go voting, it didn't reach the quorum, and the consequences weren't that great (at least for people trying to have children using that kind of technique - now they have to go outside the country).

Now. There are campaigns around to promote awareness for said referendum, and it looks like it might be possible to reach the quorum in spite of the fact that the information about it has been close to zero; but the point that really annoys me is that these idiots are trying to pass a message which consists in, if you don't want it, DON'T VOTE instead of going and saying no. Because you can say no if you don't agree with it. And this is what's pissing me off to insane degrees. It basically means that voting is optional. And it's not just in these cases - I heard enough people saying that they can't be bothered to vote because they don't like anyone particularly or because 'it's all the same anyway' or because 'politics suck so there's no point'.

Actually? Sorry, but no. If you went to school they taught you that voting is a right and a duty, not just a right. You can also go in and leave it blank, if you really don't like anyone. But voting is the only way you have to change how your country is run, and if you want to keep things as they are, good. Wake up, go voting and say NO. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I won't be the one saying you should vote yes even if that's what I think you should do, but please, for the the love of everything that's dear to you, wake up and exercise your goddamn right to vote. Because if you don't and you think that it's not worth anything, then it'll come a day when maybe you won't be allowed to at all and you'll miss it. People died to allow others to vote. Here, women couldn't vote until 1946. And I do realize that politics mostly suck ass and that half of the time you don't like everyone, but case is, there's always someone who's less bad than the others. And saying that 'you don't understand it' isn't an excuse - buy a newspaper and read it regularly, because these people run your country, and their decisions have consequences (also for you), and if you don't care about that, then you don't care about your own benefit either. And that's why I can't stand politicians saying that you shouldn't vote. Because any politician who says that is someone who should go home asap, and who doesn't know what doing his job means. And I'll be very happy if this round the quorum is reached, however it goes. But please, if you're Italian and you can vote, just DO IT. You can leave it blank if you don't have an opinion, you can say no, you can say yes, you can also vote for one issue and refuse to vote for the others. But please, just do it. At least, if your side doesn't win and it turns that whoever won was wrong, you have all the rights to complain later.

Okay, that was it. Thanks for the attention and sorry for the spamming. Also sorry if it sounds somewhat preachy, but I feel pretty strongly about this, if it wasn't clear already.
 
 
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the female ghost of tom joad: politicsjanie_tangerine on June 11th, 2011 04:19 pm (UTC)
I think C is utter crap. Everyone should be processed. But the problem is that here they do it just for B., and I just - I want him GONE.

Oh, I totally get it, it's a different system. Here you don't have to be part of a party in order to vote or to do anything prior - you just have your certificate and you go. You can also get a membership for a party if you want, but it's not mandative. And the problem I have is that people don't think like 'my vote weights nothing because the party I vote for has a small membership', the process is more like 'fff whatever do not care I'll just stay home and who cares'. At least you may not vote but you do something politics related and you know why you're not voting, here if you talk with someone who doesn't go to vote regularly the usual excuse is 'but I don't understand politics', which tbh makes me want to smack someone. Also I think that when you have someone like Berlusconi running and you don't like everyone else you should just take a deep breath and vote for ANYONE ELSE (but really, he's an anomaly - in no other country someone like him would still be there). Heck, at least neither Obama or McCain were on trial WHEN THEY WERE ELECTED. *sigh* Then again B. wouldn't have even had a chance to run in the US, lol. But I just don't like this attitude around here that if there are election and you have the choice of either go to the sea or go voting you consider that and then you go to the sea.
Melmelian_eresseie on June 11th, 2011 08:38 pm (UTC)
Un applauso a quegli stabilimenti balneari della mia provincia che domani non faranno pagare l'ombrellone alle persone che presenteranno la tessera elettorale dimostrando di essere andate a votare PRIMA di andare in spiaggia! So che ci sono molte altre iniziative di questo genere in giro per l'Italia. Il quorum sinceramente mi spaventa, ma per una volta spero davvero che ce la faremo. Mai come questa volta c'è stato così tanto impegno e determinazione da parte di tutti!

Edit: E scusa, sono rincoglionita e ho postato il mio commento nel posto sbagliato...

Edited at 2011-06-11 08:39 pm (UTC)
the female ghost of tom joad: !!! <3janie_tangerine on June 14th, 2011 01:35 pm (UTC)
Oh l'hanno fatto? Onore ai proprietari >__> e VAI CHE CE L'ABBIAMO FATTA :DD spero solamente che adesso non si debba reggere il B. fino al 2013, ma forse c'è speranza che lo mandiamo a casa prima... si spera?
Giulia: Estatee0wyn on June 11th, 2011 03:54 pm (UTC)
La sparata di Berlusconi si commenta da sola... ora, il problema non è che lui dica ste michiate ma il fatto che le dica in quanto presidente del consiglio. E' vergognoso.

Vabbè, domani mattina si va a votare che poi nel pomeriggio vado in trasferta dalle parti di Milano a giocare e credo di essere ko quando torno. Speriamo di farcela per il quorum.
the female ghost of tom joad: GIUSEPPE!janie_tangerine on June 11th, 2011 04:21 pm (UTC)
Giuro non lo reggo più. Ma si può avere qualcuno normale a destra? O almeno qualcuno che non stia lì solo per non farsi processare? Chiedo troppo? E... appunto. Porcamiseria sei presidente del consiglio, non puoi dire alla gente di NON andare a votare. Speriamo in bene... *incrocia le dita* (e buona fortuna per la trasferta! ♥)

Edited at 2011-06-11 04:21 pm (UTC)
Giulia: You've got m@ile0wyn on June 12th, 2011 08:55 am (UTC)
(Grazie, speriamo bene!)

Sono appena tornata dalle urne, speriamo bene anche per quello :)
Faefaechan on June 11th, 2011 05:22 pm (UTC)
*applaude*

Io stavolta ci sto credendo un sacco - poi magari se non riusciamo ci starò peggio, ma pazienza. Un voto li seppellirà tutti. *brandisce tessera elettorale*
the female ghost of tom joad: GIUSEPPE!janie_tangerine on June 14th, 2011 01:33 pm (UTC)
VE CHE CE L'ABBIAMO FATTA :DDDDD sono così felice che neanche riesco a trattenere la gioia ;___; *brandisce tessera con te*
Sophiasophia_lde on June 12th, 2011 07:32 am (UTC)
You're absolutely right. Each time when we have election, I stand there and think, I don't know whom I should vote for, but then I force myself to make a decision and just do it.

Even if all options seem bad, at least I can pick that option which I think would be the least disappointment.
the female ghost of tom joad: tangerinesjanie_tangerine on June 14th, 2011 01:33 pm (UTC)
I just wish everyone else did like that every time. :// There's always someone that sucks less than the others. If there's nothing better patience, but really. Just pick, right?
diandrahollman: booksdiandrahollman on June 13th, 2011 08:48 pm (UTC)
I totally need to copy and paste that last paragraph or so about voting duties and plaster it to every flat surface I can find around here every other November. Nobody could be bothered to vote (or didn't vote because they thought they were making some sort of statement or something by not voting) in this last election and as a result we have legislators doing everything they can to force their own agenda on everyone with total disregard for what anyone wants. The state next door to mine has stripped workers of their rights (especially teachers, who they seem to think are to blame for everything that has ever gone wrong with the country) and next year my state will be voting on whether or not gay people should have rights. And everywhere they are trying to redefine rape and take away women's ability to use birth control and make it difficult for poor people to vote. I'm waiting for the day they try to pass a law recinding women's right to vote. Or they could just make it legal to stone Democrats to death. Because I guess we're standing in the way of them taking the country back to the Middle Ages.

Ugh. Sorry about that rant.
the female ghost of tom joad: politicsjanie_tangerine on June 14th, 2011 01:39 pm (UTC)
Feel free to do it - I totally stand by every word I put on there anyway. And rant as much as you want, I felt that way pretty much since I could vote and before then so I totally get how it is. (Re: that idiot of my PM got elected the third time also because left wingers were apparently pissed with the major left wing party and rather than voting they stayed at home to make that sort of statement. I swear I spent a month wanting to kill everyone that told me they didn't vote. ARGH.) If you can't be bothered then congratulations, but really. WHY. It just makes me crazy that people seem not to care about the one thing they really SHOULD care about.

they are trying to redefine rape and take away women's ability to use birth control

I heard that and seriously. I mean, SERIOUSLY. Here we have a sort of same problem - meaning that whenever people want Church votes they threaten to make abortion laws stricter, and if you practice abortions your career basically doesn't move. And a bunch of Catholic doctors won't do it and ugly things happen, but no one ever went near THAT. And Church or not I doubt they'll ever go messing with abortion laws. But SERIOUSLY. X___x I can only hope they don't succeed because well, wow.
diandrahollman: screamdiandrahollman on June 15th, 2011 02:08 am (UTC)
Actually, it's already happened in some states. And the news just reported a couple hours ago that worker's unions have been effectively destroyed in Wisconsin. And morons are CHEERING this news because they think they can take the country back from us left-wing "commie socialists" (all the way to the middle ages). It is getting REALLY ugly here. I'm seriously afraid somebody is going to try to lynch me for supporting a Democrat.

We are officially an embarassment to the rest of the world.
A.vella_amor_dm on June 22nd, 2011 11:47 am (UTC)
do you know the results of the referendum yet?
the female ghost of tom joad: politicsjanie_tangerine on July 2nd, 2011 05:19 pm (UTC)
Yes we did! :D and everything that should have passed passed and I've been ridic happy about it :DD
A.vella_amor_dm on July 9th, 2011 08:31 am (UTC)
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY :D