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01 April 2013 @ 09:27 pm
game of thrones 3x01 - valar dohaeris  
I'M DOING THIS! YAY! REGULAR EPISODE REVIEWS! Btw: anyone who's happy with Robb's current storyline... don't bother with this. Or the related part. Really. Don't.

the good

1. The pacing. They finally learned that they can't put too much shit in one episode, so all good for now. It felt a lot less put together at random than last year's premiere.

2. DAVOS. DAVOSDAVOSDAVOS DID I SAY DAVOS aka one of the few people who managed to save themselves from character assassination because HE'S JUST - okay no seriously right now I'm like please everyone else go away and put this dude in charge. Also ugh he's so loyal to Stanniiiisss kill me ;____;

3. Dany. Well, moderately good - in the sense that I think my interest in that storyline isn't getting back on excitement levels anytime soon, but at least it wasn't boring and it wasn't like last year. I still am trying to discern what was Dany's SL last year.

Also, Iain Glen, you = hot. Please stay. Thanks.

4. Tywin. Charles Dance you're magnificent. And your character is absolutely morally horrible and I despise him, but I love your acting and you totally nailed it.

5. Tyrion. Or well, I don't have anything to wax poetical about because Dinklage is always excellent and that scene with Tywin was done soreallywell. :D

6. Bronn, though I'd have liked it better if they had shown some naked guy meat for once.

7. Margaery/Joffrey/Loras. Like, I'm nowhere near extra invested in any of those three, but NO CHARACTER ASSASSINATION GOING ON I'M OKAY WITH IT. Though this thing where both Joffrey and Robb are being like OMG MOM STOP EMBARRASSING ME is... not... okay, but more about that in the part about what I didn't like.

8. WILDLINGS. WILDLINGSSSS. I'm not entirely sold on the actor playing Mance - like, he's *good* and I see that he has the character down pat, but his face is just so far from what I imagined when reading the book that I can't buy him 100% yet. Other than that, TORMUND IS GLORIOUS, Ygritte is amazing and I had forgotten how much I loved Ygritte, and hahaha Jon bless you and your grumpy face. Also I kind of started cackling when he kneeled and was all like YOUR GRACE and everyone else was laughing in his face, though I'd like to know where are Val & co too.

9. THE FIRST SCENE.

PEOPLE, GHOST SAVED SAM'S LIFE INSTEAD OF BEING WHERE JON WAS. MY OTP LIVES.

Yes, I had to state that out loud. The Jon/Sam shipper life is hard enough already, I'm not gonna forget when they throw me bones like this one.

the bad

10. Er uhm was Stannis like *that* in the book? Because I don't remember it? Like, I remember him being fairly unreasonable at points, but I don't remember that it was him putting Davos in the dungeons? Stannis, that's not cool, go back to your boyfriend yes?

11. Someone get fucking Roose Bolton out of my sight, damn it. Like, right the fuck now. ... I can't ask for that, can I? *cries* like seriously just looking at him makes me want to vomit, I'm in for the Best Experience Ever this season.

12. ... right. I've danced around it but I obviously have to get there, so. Also: major ASOS BOOK spoilers, so you know if you don't want to read.

Robb.

What.

The.

Fuck.

Like, either last season the moment Talisa showed up there was a Westeros invasion of the body snatchers and that's not *Robb* or D&D haven't understood anything about how this dude works (... which... okay, could be, but in S1 he was *perfect* and they got him and Theon down pat - and him and Cat too UNTIL LAST SEASON, so I MEAN THEY GOT IT RIGHT UNTIL ONE POINT) or.. I don't even know, but if this isn't character assassination I have no fucking clue of how to call it. Or better, until Talisa-the-magic-lifesaver showed up out of nowhere cleaning wounds he was actually fine, but since then... uhm. people. In the book Robb was about THE ONLY FUCKING PERSON IN THE ENTIRETY OF RIVERRUN WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF CAT'S UNCLE AND BROTHER WHO DIDN'T THINK ILL OF HER FOR FREEING JAIME LANNISTER AND NOW HE'S BLAMING HER FOR IT? And on top of that... like, are they planning to make us like Talisa by having her defend Cat to Robb? D&D, no. It's just going to make me dislike her more, if it's possible. Because if it wasn't clear already, Talisa = Evil. I can barely bring myself to forget the mess last season but now I have to deal with the Robb bodysnatcher? No. No. And no. *This* isn't Robb Stark, ffs. I fell for that stupid honorable idiot because he wasn't a stereotype and he wasn't married to a stereotype and he had an actual believable relationship with his mother when he didn't necessarily belittle her. Also, this dude deflowered a noblewoman while crazy with grief because he thought that his little brothers were *dead* WHICH WAS THE EXACT SAME REASON WHY CATELYN FREED JAIME SO MAYBE HE ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD THE POINT but noooo, in here Catelyn frees him because LITTLEFINGER told her (which was bad enough) and since Robb hasn't technically fucked up as badly or fucked up for the same reason (though marrying Talisa is probably more stupid than freeing Jaime tbh) NOW HE'S ANGRY AT HER UUUGHHH FFS this show is a) turning me into a crazy Catelyn stan, b) almost making me ship Robb/JEYNE WESTERLING actively, c) turning me into a crazy Jeyne W. stan, damn it.

In short: ^ that is a mess, and Robb Stark is actually in my top ten favorite literary characters *ever*, so look at me not being happy if this clusterfuck is what I'm getting this year. And at least there wasn't anyone named Frey around this episode, small favors. Please tell me that at least when they get to show us the other Tully people they'll give me something that can be salvaged, because if this is what I have to expect generally, I can as well shoot myself metaphorically now.

the ugly

11. I liked Sansa's scene actually, but... why... why the fuck is she even talking with LF about escaping? Whut? Makes no fucking sense whatsoever? Why? She doesn't - that's not - that's not Sansa? I mean, that part is supposed to happen a lot later? (The part where she is stuck with LF, meaning) I just - uhm. I didn't put in the bad section because I reserve judgment until I actually see where they're actually going, but it was a major wtf.

12. Breasts, breasts, breasts. Yawn. Listen, until last season we had Alfie Allen being a gentleman and getting naked (like, the only idiot who does until now), but er uhm if this season it happens it won't be in the context I'd like, so.. CAN SOMEONE ELSE STEP UP TO THE PLATE? I ask for naked times equality, if we have to waste time with naked people. Like, seriously, I'd have totes been okay with Bronn taking off his damn trousers.

13. Littlefinger, I can't even with you.

14. The more they show me Ros with LF the more I'm suspecting she's gonna be the adwd Jeyne Poole replacement even if it still makes no sense. Someone convince me I'm wrong, please.

15. Uhm, wait, how was Sam supposed to send ravens if he was being followed by zombies? And where were the ravens even? Did he even have any with him in the S2 finale? That's mostly just me being wtf at it, but still.

overall

I expected much worse, to be honest. Also I'm totally glad that Theon wasn't in this week because I'm not entirely sure I can take his storyline this season altogether, so it's good they didn't load me with it at the beginning. On the other side, no Jaime and Brienne D: anyway, it *looks* better than last season was, and as a premiere it was definitely better structured, but as stated my investment is very very much linked with Robb, so if they fuck that up it's probably going to ruin my enjoyment of everything else except possibly Jaime and Brienne because unless they fuck that up royally nothing could ruin my enjoyment of Jaime and Brienne.

But damn it, last premiere had that fucking Robb/Theon scene which totally kicked me in the feels. While nothing in this episode was of the KICKING ME WITH FEELS level, but then again better like this than being utterly pissed as I was fearing, so until now I suppose I'm okay. Except. Ugh. That. Robb, Robb, where have you gone.
 
 
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oximore: Nimuehoximore on April 1st, 2013 08:00 pm (UTC)
Basically yes to everything (who care about characterisation after all)
I'm not giving up on this show just yet but my hope is growing quite thin...
the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> robb/theon 5.0janie_tangerine on April 1st, 2013 08:05 pm (UTC)
Well, I HAVE JAIME AND BRIENNE TO LOOK FORWARD TO, so.. I mean, if Robb is like this I'm throwing the towel in right now, Theon is gonna wreck me regardless, so basically right now I'm like 'please Jaime be the light at the end of the tunnel' (along with Davos but Davos isn't that major yet). I can't with Robb. I can't. Nope.
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elenatargaryenelenatargaryen on April 1st, 2013 08:26 pm (UTC)
I pretty much agree with all of this post. *Claps* Nothing really stuck out at me either, but I think that's due to lack of Jaime.

I JUST CAN'T WAIT FOR BRAN TO COME BACK, OK. HE'S MY REASON FOR LOTS OF THINGS.
the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> jaime 1.0janie_tangerine on April 1st, 2013 08:32 pm (UTC)
I WANT BRAN TOO, though I kind of want Theon to be back too, except that I don't because I know it's going to destroy me. ;) also HAHAHAH YES YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT, no Jaime means less fun. JAIME LANNISTER MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER just by existing.
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the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf > tullyjanie_tangerine on April 1st, 2013 08:33 pm (UTC)
ilu too ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

if it was only Talisa. but nothing makes sense. JESUS FUCK COME ON IN THE BOOK HE'D HAVE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF HOUSE-ARRESTING HIS MOTHER FFS NO WHY HOW IT'S NOT *ROBB*. and yeaaah exactly you said it all. but that's not Robb. it's a bodysnatcher. I DECIDED IT'S A BODYSNATCHER. THE END.
The Cleaverage: album coverkel_reiley on April 1st, 2013 10:04 pm (UTC)
PEOPLE, GHOST SAVED SAM'S LIFE INSTEAD OF BEING WHERE JON WAS. MY OTP LIVES.

As much as I loved that (AND I DID) what happend to the part where Sam stabs the thing with the dragonglass? Does that happen later? Did it already happen and I missed it? When does that happen?! Am I remembering the books wrong?

10. I think he was, yes. This was really the point where he became completely unreasonable and a little bit off his rocker.

Don't even get me started on the Robb mess :( Pretty much everything you said.

11. DUDE. I thought that felt out of place/too soon. Glad it wasn't just me. Really came out of left field.

14. I'm basically convinced that you're right, actually. Which, no sense whatsoever.

I demand more Arya for the rest of the season. I hate episodes where we don't even SEE main characters. (And by "main" I mean my favorites.)
the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> theon 2.0janie_tangerine on April 1st, 2013 10:14 pm (UTC)
Nah, that never happened in the book - in the book Sam was like shacking up with those other NW people among which one of them who wanted to kill Mormont or something, then he got lost from them later (I think he was with Gilly) AND then he slayed the zombie with the dragonglass - or maybe I remember the order wrong, but the slaying definitely happened later. Ghost saving his ass never happened in the book, but since last season they had Sam finding the obsidian dagger at random instead of HAVING JON GIVING IT TO HIM I suppose they just wanted to make us poor Jon/Sam people happy ;) ;)

10. Yeah but I don't think he was the one personally putting Davos in prison? And he didn't look so... Mel-whipped? I don't think it was utterly OOC, but it felt wrong-ish.

... yeah. Uhm. I can't with Robb. I can't. Seriously. COULDN'T MY FAVORITE HAVE BEEN TYRION FFS. I'd have spared myself a lot of headaches.

14. I'm convinced that I'm right too, but.. like. Uhm. So. Ramsay has to marry ARYA. Not Sansa. Arya. Because Jon wouldn't have deserted the NW like that for Sansa - or well, he wouldn't have taken *sides* for Sansa, but if Jon doesn't do that then they don't *kill him* and he doesn't become AA (I suppose, or even if it's not the case THEY DON'T KILL HIM) which uh hi major plot point? I'm hoping that this plot hole is so huge that it's not possible that I'm right and that they're replacing Jeyne P, but... the evidence for everything else... is striking tbh. :/

me too, but better that they split in two instead of having it all over the place. I want more Arya too. And possibly gimme Jaime and Brienne already. I'm on the fence re Theon - on one side other *he's* my current favorite living character besides Brienne so OBVIOUSLY, but his storyline terrifies me, so... :/
The_Crazy_Freakthe_crazy_freak on April 1st, 2013 10:16 pm (UTC)
I agree with a lot of what you said.

Yes, Davos, omg!! I love him! The only thing that pissed me off (as you already said) is that Stannis was the one who had him arrested. I'm pretty sure he wasn't even brought up in front of Stannis at all in the books. I think the guards just took him straight to the dungeons without giving him a chance to speak to Davos. And then when they did finally release him, Stannis basically named him hand of the king right away. Which is why I love their relationship in the book so much! x33 (well, that was just one tiny reason among millions, but yeah)

Strangely, I agree about Iain Glen (I say "strangely" because I usually feel this way about younger men/guys). I don't even know what it is about him, I just find him hot.

Omg, yeah, the scene between Tywin and Tyrion was perfect. ;__;

I fucking love Bronn so much. His lines are my favourite and I think it has a lot to do with the actor who plays him (the way he delivers the lines and stuff). xD

Don't even get me started on the wildlings. FUCKING TORMUND GIANTSBANE, OK?!!! I love him in the books, but for some reason, I fell in love even harder since seeing him on the show?!! DAMN! x3 But yeah, I actually imagined Mance to be different looking as well. I don't know if that's how he's described in the books (because it's been a while since I've read the 3rd one), but I don't imagine him being as buff/full, I always pictured him kind of skinny. And younger. Also, I loved the fact that he was playing an instrument (was it a harp or something?) when Jon came in, so I wanted them to keep that in the show, but they fucking didn't, ugh!! >_>

Well, I guess the only thing I disagree with is the first scene. While I did like the fact that Ghost saved Sam, I didn't really like the opening at all. I wanted there to be some kind of an epic battle, not a cop-out black screen with battle sound effects and then just the aftermath. -__- sigh

But, ugh, yes, Robb... How about NO?! >_> I hate what they've done to him in the show. While I admit he wasn't really one of my faves in the books, I at least liked him well enough. But in the show I am so past caring about him (because of his stupid behaviour) that I don't even think I'll be distraught that he gets killed off. And that's saying something. =/

1/2
The_Crazy_Freakthe_crazy_freak on April 1st, 2013 10:17 pm (UTC)
2/2

I am totally with you on the nakedness. We need more naked men on this show, jfc!! All we get is naked women. I'd be fine with it if it was in the story (or if it actually contributed to it, you know), but it's a totally pointless scene. At least have BOTH participants naked or something if you HAVE TO put that in. -__-;

I don't think they could get away with Ros taking Jeyne Poole's story in the show, though. They have to get someone at least close to Arya's age (if not appearance as well). Ros would never cut it and I don't think anyone would buy it. Like how stupid do you have to be to think a grown-ass woman of 25 (or how old Ros is supposed to be) is Arya (who everyone knows is like 12)?! The Boltons certainly aren't that stupid.

Another thing that bothered me a bit was the fact that Jorah immediately knew the guy who saved Dany was Barristan Selmy. I really would have preferred for it to happen same as it did in the books (with them finding out about his true identity later on). I know the audience would immediately know it was Selmy (because of the actor), but I would have still liked Dany and Jorah initially not knowing.

And I HATE the fact that Missandei is a grown woman! What is that all about?! (That's assuming Kraznys' translator is Missandei, which I think it is) I really liked the fact that she was a child. I have a feeling she might take Irri's role or something (seeing that Irri is dead in the show). I'm just not really satisfied with that.

Well, while you say you expected worse, I actually expected better (judging from the trailers), so I was a bit disappointed. But that's not to say I didn't enjoy it. I think after reading the books, the show will never be able to truly compare. I'm speaking from experience. I've seen quite a few movies and/or TV shows (based on books) I thought were spectacular, but after reading the books, I just didn't think they were as spectacular anymore because the books were a million times better.

And yeah, I totally wanted some Jamie and Brienne! I hope they're in the next episode. Their story is my favourite, I think. They're both just so badass and I love their relationship and just them as characters! So MUCH!! x33

Sorry, I got a bit carried away (I even had to split the reply, lol).

I also wanted to ask you who your fav characters were (top 10 maybe), because I have a feeling we might have a lot of the same fav characters, based on this recap. :P

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the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> team greyjoyjanie_tangerine on April 1st, 2013 10:37 pm (UTC)
EXACTLY. GIVE US SOME NAKED DUDES YES? (Thanks Alfie for providing until now, but from now on the more clothes he wears the better if you ask me, and anyway he gave for two seasons, someone else should step up. HOPEFULLY between Jon/Ygritte being a thing and Jaime and Brienne taking that bath we're getting some naked dudes time...) And yeah exactly, give us the two of them being naked ffs if you really have to put sex everywhere.

The thing with Ros is that she can't pass for Arya which is a total hole in that theory, unless they cut the wedding altogether (but if they don't then Jon doesn't *desert*...?), but... Jeyne is supposed to be training at LF's. ROS is the one with LF all the time. They need someone Theon knows. Jeyne P. isn't anywhere to be seen. ://// Believe me, I'm the first hoping that it doesn't happen.... *hopes*

Yeah it'd have been better for the characters but probably they thought that the audience was on it so they might as well not bother? I'm really not invested in that storyline and with the Robb-related fuckery I probably didn't even pay enough attention to it tbh. ;)

The thing with this show is that S1 actually lived up to the book. From then on... er. Uhm. Nope. I try to keep them separate tbh, and to keep my expectations low, but.. when I see stuff like Robb I wonder what's even the point if they're not even getting the bases right. And lol no problem, you're talking with the queen of long replies ;)

Also sure thing! Sooo, ten... okay, here we go XD though places 3/4/5 of the first five usually switch between them like crazy XD

1. Robb
2. Brienne
3. Theon
4. Davos
5. Jaime
6. Sam
7. Catelyn/Sansa (they're pretty much there at the same place)
8. Oberyn
9. Asha
10. Blackfish

I feel bad for leaving out Sandor/Jon/Mance though ;)
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the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> robb 3.0janie_tangerine on April 1st, 2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
Davos is like in my top five forever. There's no one as flawless as Davos. I don't call him the Chuck Norris of Westeros for nothing, in my head at least ;) also yeah in the book he went straight to the dungeon and Stannis named him Hand the next time he saw him which OMG MY FEELS MY FEELS EVERYTHING DSJKFHDSJKFHSD, so idk I didn't... really... like it being Stannis? Or that in the show he seems Mel-whipped, lol.

Iain Glen is actually sort of my type, I'm much more surprised that I find the younger people in here hot because usually if they're not at least thirty I don't notice them, but see, HIS HOTNESS TRANSCENDS TASTE! ;)

Bronn is totally my favorite too whenever he shows up :D he so totally has the best lines.

I LOVE THE WILDLINGS. I'M TEAM WILDLINGS ALL ALONG FOREVER AND EVER, actually if it was for me I'd put one of them on the throne and be done with it. They're obviously the most reasonable group of people in Westeros if you ask me. And Tormund is perfect! :D I love him in the books so I'm soveryexcited to see him here. :D also I'm pretty sure that Mance was shorter, younger and slimmer, but anyway when I read the description he didn't look at all like the actor they picked. xD and yeah maybe they should have kept that since him being a bard was important later....

haha well the thing is that I ship Jon/Sam like no one's business, so Ghost saving Sam = totally good for me. But it was more awesome because of the shipping on my part than for the scene itself, it if makes sense.

Robb is a body snatcher. The end. I can't accept any other explanation. And it's good to know that not just crazy Robb stans are pissed at it, lol, because it's just - ugh. Character assassination if I've ever seen that. And the thing is that since the RW was the second most-traumatic thing I ever read, if they fuck Robb up like that I - ugh. Okay, I'll just hope that he redeems himself at some point...
The_Crazy_Freakthe_crazy_freak on April 1st, 2013 10:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I feel like in the books, he's much harsher with Mel (well, there was that scene in season 2 where he starts choking her, but other than that, he's pretty much whipped as you said). Because that's the way he is with everyone (while being a bit softer with Davos; or is that just my interpretation because I ship them?) and she's no exception. For some reason it made me kind of uncomfortable that Stannis did nothing while Mel was saying all those things to Davos ("do you still hear their screams?" etc) because the things she said to him were so fucking cruel, considering he lost a son by wildfire.

The thing with Iain Glen is that I first saw him in Downton Abbey and even back then I was kinda drawn to him (even though I didn't care much about the character he played), but then Game of Thrones came along and I kinda fell for him completely. xD x3

Well, I do actually ship Jon/Sam too. :) Though probably not to the extent you do from what I gather (seeing that they're your OTP). But I love any scene between them. :D

Same.
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A.: tyrionvella_amor_dm on April 3rd, 2013 04:57 am (UTC)
i agree with all your thoughts! especially the Robb stuff (it is so painful omg >.>)

11) i'm guessing that these scenes with LF act as a replacement for that drunken fool guy.... umm. whats-his-face. sir florent? no, Dontos! that dude. yeah.

also, i must be the only one who thinks this, but that exchange between Ros and Shae? i interpreted that as meaning that Shae should be careful of her own safety as far as Sansa is concerned, but i could just be reading that wrong. idk.
the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> tyrionjanie_tangerine on April 3rd, 2013 04:59 pm (UTC)
ROBB. D: WHY. WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU. BABYYYY. DDDD:

Yeah I suppose they do but having her agreeing with LF just.. sort of defies the point of what happens later? :/ Idk I'm really not convinced but we'll see. And yep it was Dontos XD

Could be that too! The thing about that scene is that it just felt like they put four totally sort of random characters in the same place but I'll see if it makes sense later I suppose :)