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22 April 2013 @ 02:50 pm
game of thrones 3x04 - and now his watch has ended  
Goes unsaid that if you don't like Theon you really don't care for this. Also: book spoilers mostly in the Theon section.

1) Hi, I'm dead. Like, seriously, what-the-fuck-did-happen-in-this-episode I'm not even sure I can even.

2) Okay, let's get out of the way the WTF first. So.. like.. this entire thing about Pod's prowess in bed keeps on being totally senseless if you ask me. maybe at some point they'll actually show it having a point, but for now I'm just mainly 'what the hell'. Then: er what Ros knows that LF wants to bring Sansa to the Vale and she tells Varys for - for what? I mean, I'm totally cool with Ros actually doing something instead of getting naked - like, if she has to be there at least have her do something useful, but where the hell are they even aiming?

I still think that LF finds her out and sends her back North and she's Jeyne Poole's replacement. Like. Uh. CAN SOMEONE JUST PLEASE GIVE ME A LOT OF GOOD REASONS WHY I MIGHT BE WRONG, THANKS?

3) ... uh. If they wanted to show us that Varys can be creepy, they did. That wasn't in the book, right?

4) Tywin telling straight to Cersei that he doesn't trust her because she thinks she's a lot smarter than she *really* is was gold though. See, that's why I can't hate Tywin, he makes too much sense for me to hate him. Even if HAHAHAH I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT HE WAS WRITING ABOUT HELP.

5) Joffrey and Margaery scenes just make me cackle endlessly because if you know how that ends it's just hilarious. On the other side, Margaery and Sansa are actually sweet.

6) YAY DANY'S STORY IS GOING SOMEWHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT RIGHT! Also: was it just me or Jorah, Missandei and Barristan were ridiculously turned on when she put the slaver dude on fire? I predict a lot of frustration-driven orgies. I also have nothing more relevant to add but I mean it was done awesomely and now I just wish I didn't lose 80% of my taste for Dany's storyline between S2 and ADWD.

7) By the time this story is over, Bran is going to need so much therapy. D: then again I'm good with the fact that they're showing his dreams because hey I mean there's a chance they'll do the same with Jaime later.

8) No Tullys = DDDD:, no Robb = moderate D: (I mean, as they're doing it I can take it or leave it), no Talisa = reason why I enjoyed this a lot more overall than the others. Sorry not sorry.

9) SANDOOORRRRRR I MISSED YOU. And finally it looks like they actually understood how he's supposed to act? I mean, in comparison to last season this was the feast of IC, Sandor-related. Also WAS THAT BERIC YOU LOOK GOOD. And Aryaaaaa ;___; ARYAAAA ;___; *CRIES FOREVER*

10) Olenna Tyrell is still vastly entertaining.

11) JAIME. JAIME.

AND BRIENNE.

AND JAIME.

AND BRIENNE.

SHJDAKJDHKDHFDKJFHDSKHFKDJSHFJKSHFDDHFK CAN I JUST BE HERE SQUEEING THEY'RE DOING THESE SCENES SO WELL DJFHSJFKHSJKFH *JAIMEEE*.

I just - his face. His dejected face. EVERYTHING. AND HE TRIED TO ESCAPE AND BRIENNE WAS TOTALLY LOOKING AT HIM LIKE 'OMG THAT'S HOPELESS BUT I FUCKING RESPECT YOU' AND THEN SHE JUMPED OUT OF THE HORSE EVEN IF SHE HAD HER HANDS TIED BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T TAKE THAT ANYMORE AND THEY KEPT THE PART WHERE SHE TELLS HIM NOT TO BE A CRAVEN and while the 'you're behaving like a woman' line kind of jarred me at first I think that in the context she just wanted to rile him up and that was probably the best way she thought of. And when she asked him why he saved her and her face just went from 'the fuck are you doing stop whining' to 'I wish I could hug you damn you' I just - can someone give Gwen an award or two. And to NCW too because seriously ahkjsafhjkdhf. and 'I WAS THAT SWORD HAND' you idiot YOU'RE BETTER THAN YOUR STUPID SWORD HAND *dies of Jaime feels* Those two I can't I just they're perfect and SEE HBO THAT'S HOW YOU CHANGE SUBTLE THINGS THAT WE EVENTUALLY DON'T MIND BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FUCKING SHIT UP. Sigh. Jaime. JAIME. ;_____;

12) Speaking of awards: people. Seriously. Can someone just go and recognize that Alfie Allen would totally rank in the 'the five people who can act best in this entire show' instead of asking him 'how does it feel when people hate your character' whenever they interview him? I just - this entire arc was going to make me weep regardless but he's completely and utterly killing it and I just don't get why I don't see every single fucking review around stating it. I just - THAT ENTIRE PART BEFORE THEY WENT BEYOND THE DOOR (and seriously Theon WHY DIDN'T YOU AT LEAST NOTICE THAT NO ONE WHO HADN'T BEEN AT DEEPWOOD MOTTE WOULD HAVE HAD THE KEYS ;____;) and he started monologuing was the most heartwrenching thing I've seen lately and fhksdjghdfjgdjk THEEEOOOONNNNN. Let's not get into the mind games from before because seriously the fact that Ramsay knew exactly what to say to push the right buttons (*I saw you when you left Pyke!*) was already enough to make me want to scream, but just - the more he spilled the more I went like STOP IT YOU IDIOT HE'S GOING TO USE THAT AGAINST YOU LATER NOOO. Also, confession: I muted the audio when they nailed him back on the cross because I just couldn't hear it. Then I looked at the gifs and seen the dialogue I had missed and pretty much went and cried. Also: Iwan Rheon congratulations on the creepy face you made at the last scene because - uuuh - I just - it totally scared me shitless. As much as I'm not looking forward to see how it goes now I'll have to give it to him, he can act the part. Woah. Uh. This season is going to traumatize me forever.

Also: that line about Theon saying that Ned was his real father... I've seen around that it's OOC at this point and I can see why, but I don't think it was too much the case. First thing: they probably put it in for the same reason they had Cat's speech about Jon ie making him sympathetic to the tv audience, but while Cat's speech about Jon was completely out of the blue, I don't think that one was. Mostly: the audience for this show is ridiculously thick because seriously, I've seen people disliking Theon regardless of the fact that they've been spending two seasons making us get *why* he did the shit he did (seriously, for all I can complain about the show I think that they always presented Theon in a mostly sympathetic light) and I really fucking don't get how if you only watch the show you can say that *he's worse than Joffrey/betrayed the Starks* etcetera, so I'm mostly inclined to think that since this was the last time for the next fucking two seasons at least when this guy won't be seen tortured/chained somewhere and when he actually could speak his mind freely, it was the last occasion for them to actually try to win the audience over. Other than that: I don't think that book!Theon would have ever though of Ned in fatherly terms at this point, but in the show I always thought that he's... well, he generally lies to himself a lot less. IE: in the show he outright refuses to go to the Wall because he thinks the situation is totally lost already and he actually showed himself being pretty emotional to Luwin, while in the book he had fully considered it and was ready to go for it, regardless of the fact that the situation was still completely lost and he certainly didn't go tell Luwin how much it sucked to spend ten years being a hostage - I don't know if I explained myself, but I have the impression that in the show they always had him being a lot more aware of the shit going on with him than he was in the book. Now, if he says that Ned was his real father it's mostly Stockholm Syndrome in all its glory, but considering the show's characterization I don't think that it's so OOC that he arrived to that conclusion at this point. Let's also not forget that he's been tortured first, then almost raped, now he thinks he can trust the guy he's with, he's being emotional
and he's opening up to the one person that he can count as a friend right now - in comparison to how things were when Ned was alive and he lived at Winterfell and Robb was there of course to him it seems like some kind of fairytale right now. Regardless of the fact that it *wasn't*, but it's the same thing that was going on in ADWD - the fact that while he was trying to get out of the Reek persona he remembered his life at Winterfell like the best that ever was doesn't necessarily mean that he couldn't have thought the exact same thing while he was being tortured but he still hadn't broken down completely. Also in S2 he did tell Robb 'your father raised me like this and that EVEN IF I WASN'T A STARK' so I mean, if we're talking show characterization it does make sense that he might consider Ned his surrogate father on *some* level though most likely it's something he likes to think when he wasn't worrying about Ned cutting his head. This is obviously just valid for the show, but I don't really think that it's the kind of wild OOC that was Catelyn regretting that she treated Jon wrong or the way Robb is behaving right now.

tldr: give Alfie some fucking award, okay. Also: HOW COULD SOMEONE LIKE THAT EVER BE A BROTHER TO ME THEON STOP IT YOU IDIOT HE ALWAYS THOUGHT YOU WERE HIS BROTHER SHUT IT HE LOVED YOU THE WAY YOU WERE OF COURSE HE DID DON'T DO THIS TO ME STOP IT. Welcome everyone to Robb/Theon, the only ship where even when they're separated and supposedly hating each other not only they don't (seriously Robb in the second episode? He so doesn't *hate* him), but they still kill you with feelings. Congrats.

Jesus, I just looked at the wall of text I just left - it seems like I watch this show just for Theon but I swear I like mostly everyone else too. /o\

I also feel like the point about Jaime and Brienne is ridiculously short in comparison to Theon but I mean, the only thing I have to say about Jaime and Brienne is squeeing about how flawless it was, so.

13) Also, this episode was the proof that if Talisa isn't there I enjoy everything a lot more. Just saying.

14) Oh wait I was forgetting: NOOOO MORMONT DDDD: I WASN'T READY FOR THE RIOT AT CRASTER'S TO HAPPEN SO SOON *WEEPS WILDLY* also Dolorus Edd is the best character ever seriously just put the Wall people in charge of everything yes. And SAM.

SAM. SAM I JUST - I LOVE YOU. HE SAVED GILLY! <3 HE SAVED THE BABY TOO! AND AFTER HE WAS SO DEJECTED LAST EPISODE! Just seriously I just want to go give him a hug and tell him that he's the best person ever, can we just? I vote for Sam in charge of everything including the other black brothers in charge of the rest, thanks.

15) In conclusion: overall this probably was the episode I enjoyed more this season because there wasn't anything I could get angry about (90% of the time = Talisa, the other 10% = the sexposition). Hopefully they're keeping on like this? For now it's been a lot better than S2 was, I'll keep on saying it until they make me change my mind. *crosses fingers*

16) But Theon, fuck everything. *cries*
 
 
 
The Cleaverage: castielkel_reiley on April 22nd, 2013 06:55 pm (UTC)
2. RIGHT? I don't remember that from the book, but they are making a HUGE (no pun intended) deal about Pod. Is this relevant to anything?

I think you're right, sorry.

3. NO. OK. Good. I mean, I remember him telling of how he was cut, but not the part about him having the sorcerer in a box.

4. I kind of love Tywin, too. I mean he's evil, but he's a smart evil.

5. I am loving Margaery in the show much more than I did in the books.

6. I'm hoping they'll skip over most of her sitting around and ruling.

7. Were Rickon and Osha still with them? Or did they go off on their own already?

11. JAIME AND BRIENNE ♥ ♥ ♥

12. Iwan Rheon congratulations on the creepy face - Yeah. I take back my earlier doubts about his casting.

14. SAM! In the book, was the baby born at this point? I can't remember, I thought it came later. But, ok, after this is when he stabs the thing with the obsidian, right?

We're almost ha;f-way through the season... are they going to split book 3 into 2 seasons? Doesn't seem like they can fit it all into one.
the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> jaime/brienne 4.0janie_tangerine on April 22nd, 2013 07:53 pm (UTC)
2) Dunno? Seems to me like they're playing it for the lulz, but I hope it eventually makes sense...?

... Damn, I want to be wrong. :/// I never wanted to be wrong so hard in my life.

3) I remember the story too but wtf about the guy in the box? That's Ramsay levels of creepy O____O fine, Varys *is* creepy, but not at those levels...

4) Yeah exactly - like, I should detest him because y'know RED WEDDING, but he's too smart of an evil dude for me to dislike him totally. Like, I can totally respect his evilness.

5) In the book I really don't care either way (about any tyrell except Garlan to be honest) but I'm liking her well enough here. Not at crazy levels, but.

7) As far as I remember Rickon disappeared with Summer and Shaggy like in episode two and Osha stayed with Bran and everyone was like 'okay cool the wolves will bring him back at some point' :/

11) IKRRRRRRRRRRRR BABIEEESSSS ♥ asdfghjkl

12) Hahah he's good at that. Very. Very. Good. I'm mildly terrified of what happens this season D:

14) Yep, he's supposed to kill the wight soon :D uuhhhmmmmm I can't remember either, I think the baby was born already when they got to the Wall though. No wait I think the baby was born because I remember Gilly worrying about Craster killing the baby or something like that. Then again I just want Sam the Slayer ;)

As far as I know they're putting some of book three into S4 but they could also start putting stuff from affc in it - the RW is episode nine and they haven't cast Oberyn so I'm tempted to think that everything from the Purple Wedding onwards happens in S4 except for Jon becoming Lord Commander. Or well, that's what I think, but the trailer showed wildlings climbing the Wall, Jon and Ygritte will obviously do the deal soon and Sam is killing the wight soon as well. And since people will react to the RW a lot worse than they reacted to Ned dying (imo) they must put something in the finale that would at least balance shit for the audience and have something good happen with someone named Stark. And Jon is the only candidate for that since becoming LC would make the audience happy, so...
The Cleaverage: Winchesters of the Deadkel_reiley on April 22nd, 2013 08:09 pm (UTC)
3. I mean, I can see the point they were trying to make, and I can't say I'd totally blame Varys for it, either. In the books, Varys is all "for the good of the realm" and all that, not interesting much in his own ends.

5. In the books, I only liked her b/c she gets Cercei good in the end.

7. Really? WTH?! I must not have been paying very close attention.

11. If they keep of this perfection, I will almost forgive any horribleness in other areas.

12. NGL in Misfits he started out with serious creeper potential, but then they went and make him a hero. I kinda want to see him be super evil now.



I was wondering if they were going to end the season on the Red Wedding. That would be a shocking season finale.
the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> theon 2.0janie_tangerine on April 22nd, 2013 08:34 pm (UTC)
3) Yeah that? Idk Varys doesn't strike me as *that* kind of creepy, but oookay. After the Talisa horror nothing seems too OOC by now...

5) Lol good point XD

7) Yep. It was like fifteen seconds of scene though.

11) My thoughts exactly ;)

12) Lol you'll have an interesting time this season then ;) it's just, I'd be totally fine with him showing how good he is at playing evil but I DON'T NEED TO SEE MY POOR BABY SUFFERING D: (theeeooonnn ;____;)

Nah it's nine - I mean, the title is the rains of castamere, so... While it would have worked for a finale if they went there I think they'd have a riot of viewers on them D:
A life in progress...pandora_nervosa on April 22nd, 2013 10:02 pm (UTC)
Been gone from LJ for a while and am so glad someone on my flist is into GoT!

Ok, have dinner on the stove, but here's mine and Roger's theory on Jon Snow:

He's Robert Baratheon's son from Ned's sister (can't remember her name atm and prob spelled Baratheon a bit wrong but am too busy to care).

At first Roger thought Jon might be Robert's son by some wench and I pointed out to Roger that more than one person in the book comments on how Jon Snow "has the look of a Stark about him". So I thought...sister (fuck me, I still can't remember her name).

Eh, our two cents.
The_Crazy_Freakthe_crazy_freak on April 22nd, 2013 11:33 pm (UTC)
Sorry for butting in. ^^;

But I just wanted to say that about 99% of the fandom believes his parents are Ned's sister (Lyanna Stark) and the late prince Rhaegar Targaryen. Not sure if you've read the books, but it's definitely the conclusion I came to as well after reading them.

Also, if I remember correctly, GRRM said that Jon's parentage will be revealed (possibly in the next book already, but not sure about that).
The_Crazy_Freakthe_crazy_freak on April 23rd, 2013 12:07 am (UTC)
First I just wanna say that this episode was literally perfect omfg! x33 I can't say I found many faults with it. I agree with you completely - they're doing a MUCH better job than they did with season 2.

2) Yeah, uh, I don't get the Pod thing either. In the previous episode, I felt the "whores didn't accept payment" thing was some LF ploy or something, but it doesn't seem so? Pod was simply that amazing? Well ok then. There go two completely useless scenes in episode 3. As for Ros, I don't think she ever liked LF (I think she kinda started hating him after that incident in season 2 after Joffrey's men killed that baby - Robert's bastard - and she was upset, but LF was basicaly threatening all passive-aggressively that if she didn't get her act together and start satisfying clients again, she's gonna pay), so I think it's logical that she isn't on LF's side. As for why she'd tell Varys of all people... I seem to recall an episode from season 2 where Varys visited her and it didn't really show much of their conversation, but I get the feeling that that's when they started sort of... working together? In the sense that Ros became one of Varys' spies, but not like his regular spies - she's more of a "casual" spy. Idk though. Maybe I'd have to rewatch that season 2 episode, but I don't remember which one it was.

Ugh, NO to the whole "Ros takes Jeyne Poole's place" thing. I still don't think they could make it work, so I'm holding out hope that you're wrong.

3) That was MOST DEFINITELY not in the book! I pretty much went O__o I don't think that's something Varys would do, tbh. I always got the impression he doesn't want to get his own hands dirty. He's the guy that pulls the strings, but doesn't commit the acts himself. But then again, maybe this is a different case, since it's personal. Idk, I always kinda appreciated Varys for his cleverness and mysteriousness (after 5 books, I still don't know what his true agenda is - I don't buy all that "I just wanna serve the realm" stuff), but sorcerer thing really put me off. Yes, what he did was fucking horrible and he should answer for his crimes, but not with whatever Varys has in store for him (a quick death would suffice).

Random fact: I solved this really long ASOIAF character quiz this one time (it was supposed to be more accurate because it was so long) and I got the result "You are most like Varys." And I was like "what the-?!" O__o I think that's pretty inaccurate, dear lord.

4) I loved that scene, because it wasn't just Tywin laying it out straight to Cersei, but she was laying it to him as well ("The legacy you love more than your actual children" - accurate as hell) But I love all the scenes between Tywin and his children because it just shows how fucking dysfunctional they are as a family.

5) And my love for Margaery (and the Tyrells in general) keeps growing. xD Omg, that scene where Margaery starts waving at the crowd and Joffrey just looks at her all confused. It's like he's never seen this before. There was a post I reblogged of it on Tumblr and it had the perfect description of what was probably going on in Joffrey's head at that moment, lmao! xDD Also, Margaery's pretense is incredible. The way she looks all fascinated by the gruesome details (and even laughs along with Joffrey at the notion of a woman being eaten by a dragon in front of her own son), but the second Joffrey turns around, she gets all serious ( probably going "ugh, that little psycho. >__>")

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The_Crazy_Freakthe_crazy_freak on April 23rd, 2013 12:46 am (UTC)
6) Omg yes, THE DANY SCENE WAS AWESOME!! Fucking hell, I got actual chills!! I'm not even kidding. And yes, Missandei, Jorah and Barristan were SO turned on - they were freaking smirking, all amazed at the same time. There was also this one scene (after the Unsullied started banging their spears in response to Dany asking them if they wanted to follow her) where Jorah and Barristan look at each other for a while and smirk/smile and the first thing that came to mind was YOU. xD (it's because of that Jorah/Barristan comment in your last review) lmao! Either way, I thought that was a great ending to the episode. (even though last week I thought the Ramsay reveal was gonna be the ending this episode, but oops, I couldn't be more off)

7) Well, it was nice to see Bran again, but the scene itself didn't have any sort of progression story-wise, so I didn't see the point of it being included. But it made me emotional because of Cat's scene last episode ("I'll never see them again" and now Bran is seeing her in his dreams! ;__; ) But omg yes, I hope they do Jaime's dream. I don't think there's a big chance of it happening, but who knows, right?! :D

8) While I would have liked to see more of the Tullys (especially because they only appeared in one episode so far), I didn't miss Robb (let alone Talisa) at all. Ah well.

9) Well, I never cared that much about Sandor, but I felt for him in this episode. He's always been judged based on his family name and his brother, even though he's nothing like him. =/

10) Speaking of Olenna, I loved her conversation with Cersei. The bit about mothers doing all they could to keep their sons away from the grave. It sounded so much like a subtle threat and Cersei seemed to get it too. (I mean, maybe that's just me seeing stuff, because I know what happens) Also, the bit where Cersei's all "and yet they're the ones in charge" (the men, that is) and Olenna goes "which is ridiculous, if you ask me" waiting for Cersei's reply. And then Cersei obviously not trusting her enough to say she agrees. Seriously, am I the only one who got the feeling that Olenna (while she probably agrees with that statement) said that last part just to see what kind of a reaction she'd get from Cersei? She probably knows how much Cersei hates the patriarchy (because it means she'll never have the power she wants, she'll always be viewed as less competent simply because she's a woman).

11) I don't even think I can add anything to that. BECAUSE PERFECTION!!! I seriously can't with Jaime and Brienne. All their scenes are so perfect, I can't find ANY flaws! I am so fucking happy they're doing this storyline justice because it's one of my favourites (if not THE favourite) from the books and seeing it brought to screen so perfectly brings tears of joy to my eyes. :DDD x333 You've said it all, tbh.

14) Oh my god, that scene. I wasn't prepared for it at all. I mean, I knew it was happening in this episode, but I WASN'T PREPARED. DD: I actually cried a bit when Mormont died. ;__; The scene was great though. The onnly way it could have been more perfect was if they kept the part where Sam wants to stay by Mormont's side even though he's practically almost dead and then Mormont (in his last breaths) tells him (orders him?) to go to the wall. But I would have been a fucking mess if that happened, so maybe it's better this way. God yes Sam though!!

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EDIT: It's way too late (3 am) for me to talk about Theon right now, so I'll respond to that part of your review tomorrow. All I can say for now is that his scene made me cry and the conversation between him and Ramsay was everything I feared it would be (emotional, ugh ;__;) and more.





Edited at 2013-04-23 12:52 am (UTC)
The_Crazy_Freak: Theon 1the_crazy_freak on April 23rd, 2013 09:18 am (UTC)
Ok, now that I'm (semi) functional, I can get on with the Theon part.

First of all (and I have to say this now because I always forgot to add that part in the previous comments), YES TO THE AWARDS! Alfie Allen definitely deserves all of the awards, hands down!

Oh god, the monologue... ;__; I seriously can't. It was worse than I thought it would be. I expected it to be emotional (Theon opening his heart and pouring everything out), but not THIS emotional! He fucking cried a bit, I CAN'T! ;___; I totally broke down at that. And with the way it ended... I mean, I obviously knew Ramsay was gonna lead him back to the torture room, but I WASN'T READY FOR THE SCENE AT ALL. ;__; DDD:
We finally got to see Ramsay's psycho face though. I'm not gonna lie, that gave me some chills - the way he looked (that fucking smile, urgh :SS ) all satisfied and brimming with pleasure when they were putting Theon back onto the cross. O_o Well, I'm gonna say this for Iwan Rheon - he sure can play psychopaths. Not that I was worried he wouldn't be able to (he was so creepy at the beginning of Misfits), but still. Even though he's like a snuggly kitty IRL, the guy was MADE to play psychos, seriously.

Wait, what? That wasn't OOC at all! Are people even watching the same show? I actually think it was very IN character of him. The thing is, he's always been torn. He's always had two different families (two different fathers). You have to consider the fact that he was a young boy when they took him. If they took him when he was older, he probably wouldn't have developed these feelings for the Starks. But a boy of only 8 still needs to belong to someone (their parents) and needs that feeling of being loved and protected. Since that was taken from him, he turned to the best "replacement" he could find - the Starks. Yes, they were his captors, but I don't think he had the full notion of what that really meant until way later on AND they actually treated him nicely and provided him with pretty much everything the actual Stark children had (in all aspects - except for the "we'll cut your head off if your father rebells again" part - they WERE a surrogate family to him). But I think as he grew older, he became more aware of the "cutting yourh head off" threat and what that actually means - that he's not their adopted son, but a prisoner. So he became even more torn. He wanted to hate them, but he couldn't just erase that sense of family he got from them when he was younger. (I think there's a big difference between WANTING to hate them and ACTUALLY hating them, btw)
Also, if you take into account the previous conversation between Theon and Ramsay - where Theon says that he heard the torturers talk how his father (Balon) knew what they were doing to him, but let them (and while Ramsay mumbled that he didn't know if that was true, Theon definitely took it as "it's true"). So imagine you get tortured and then find out that your own father knows but pretty much doesn't care... Of course you're going to feel that your real father is someone that has always been fair and good to you (excluding the looming threat) and probably wouldn't allow the torture if he knew.
So I think was perfectly in character. And it broke my heart. ;__;

OMG, DON'T EVEN TALK TO ME ABOUT THE 'HOW COULD SOMEONE LIKE THAT EVER BE A BROTHER TO ME' PART! ;____; He holds Robb in such high esteem (and himself in such LOW esteem; baby please don't ;__;) that he feels they are worlds apart and that he could never even come close to the perfection that is Robb. ("hif life fits him better than his clothes" ;__;) I can't. He basically just wanted to be equal to Robb (and possibly wanted to DO him too, ahem!) but in his own eyes he's just this massive failure that could never compare. ;___; The Theon/Robb ship is painful. Not that there are any painless ships in ASOIAF (well, except Jaime/Brienne, they're perfect) but still, this one seriously hurts. :(
And if your headcanon about the RW and Theon comes true... I will bawl like a lunatic. :|





The_Crazy_Freakthe_crazy_freak on April 23rd, 2013 09:19 am (UTC)
I had to split this message because I went over the word limit. OTL

"it seems like I watch this show just for Theon but I swear I like mostly everyone else too" <-- Same tbh. But idk, I feel like Theon feels just come pouring out, possibly because I know how much the majority of the fandom hates him, so it makes me more protective of him.

Have you seen the preview for the next episode, btw? They didn't show any Theon, so maybe we don't get to see him next episode (which would actually be a bit of a relief, because I'm not ready to see him get tortured again yet). But YAY, DAVOS IS GONNA BE BACK! I need me some Davos right now. x3
the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> robb/theon 3.0janie_tangerine on April 23rd, 2013 09:36 am (UTC)
IKR seriously next time someone goes 'wait you like that dude but didn't his sister's song say that he smokes weed' I'm just gonna go and answer that if he keeps on acting like this he can smoke all the weed he wants, regardless that she wrote that song when he was seventeen *facepalm*

AND I KNOWWW I CAN'T WHEN HE WIPED THE TEAR OFF HIS FACE I JUST - THEEOOOONNNNN ;________; COME HERE LET ME HUG YOU ;________; and haha I was so ready for that scene, including being spoiled for one month about it, THAT I MUTED THE AUDIO BECAUSE I COULDN'T WATCH IT OTHERWISE HAHA GO ME. (Nope.) But yeah Iwan Rheon is *good* at this. And lol I've never seen him in anything before but then someone told me that he also was a musician so I went like 'oh really' and looked him up on youtube. And there was like some live videos shot at a radio I think and HE LOOKED LIKE SO ADORABLE ANYONE WOULD HAVE WANTED TO SQUISH HIM and then I watched that scene and I went like 'oh jesus this guy can act but THIS DOES NOT COMPUUUTEEE' /o\

Idk the main argument is that he shouldn't be that self-aware at this point and that it was some simplification put there to gain audience sympathy, which... well, I pretty much agree about the last part because that was the last occasion they had where the guy would be able to speak his own mind and if they wanted to have a last try at making the audience sympathetic it was either here or never, but I totally agree with you - I don't really think it was OOC. Especially within the show's characterization - maybe it'd have been too early for book!Theon too but what do we know of what went on with him during ASOS, he might as well have started thinking the same then. And yeah ugh poor guy, he'd need a time travel machine and a good therapist or ten by now ;____; and yeah I think that he *wanted* to hate them but he never managed to. Ffs when he was in WF during ACOK he was constantly thinking of wanting to rule the way Ned Stark had, hating them? Sorry baby but you never could. ;)

BLEARGH I KNOW UGH IF I HAD ANY REASON TO DISLIKE BALON MORE DDDD: also because in the book I hadn't seen him giving a shit either, and even if he knows in the show I'm also pretty sure he wouldn't have lifted a finger and uuughhh THEEEON ;___; *WEEPS TORRENTS* ... no, really, there isn't a sort of valid reason why if we don't count the legit psychos ie Ramsay/Gregor Balon is totally the person in those series that I loathe most. *cough*

SHFDJSKGHJKFDG I KNOW I CAN'T EVEN WHEN HE WAS LIKE 'HOW COULD HE BE A BROTHER TO *ME*' I JUST WANTED TO GO THERE AND YELL AT HIM THAT HE WAS AN IDIOT AND THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN NEED TO GO THERE BECAUSE ROBB DIDN'T EVER *NOT* CONSIDER HIM A BROTHER SIIIGGGHHH the most painful thing about those two idiots is that if only it got across that Theon never had to prove Robb anything and that he *already* had his respect/admiration/whatever IT WOULDN'T HAVE GONE DOWN SO BADLY ;_____; (shh Theon totally wanted to do him too) and haha. I maintain that nothing is horrible/hurtful/more tragic than Robb/Theon. Seriously. Once upon a time I thought that Supernatural was the top of suffering and that Dean/Castiel was the most horrible painful ship that ever was. Now I watch it and a) I feel ridic optimistic, b) that ship seems like SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS JUST BECAUSE IN COMPARISON TO ROBB/THEON IT IS. ;___;

... on one side I hope I'm wrong, but it's usually the kind of instance when I'm right. And they have an episode after the RW to show the reactions. D: also haha yeah I think that the Theon feels are just more than the others even if I have feels for the others. And yep, since everyone hates him I just have to be the PR.

DAAAVOSSS *___* and yeah tbh as much as I <3 Theon.. I'm totally okay with a week or two of having a break from the torturing, I'm not sure I can take it NOW. D:
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the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> jon/samjanie_tangerine on April 23rd, 2013 09:45 am (UTC)
6) IKR THEY WERE THE EPITOME OF TURNED ON.

... also hahaha WELL THEY'RE MY CRACK SHIP OKAY ;) seriously if I'm associated with Jorah/Barristan I'm totally cool with it ;) ;) but yeah it was an awesome scene :DDDD

7) ... ;____________________; *weeps some more* idk maybe it's going to make sense later? I'm just cool that they're showing dreams at all because they haven't done much of it until now and I really REALLY want to see Jaime's - I think it's going to be an abridged version though, they can't show Arthur Dayne and Rhaegar and so on, but they could do it with Tyrion/Tywin/Cersei and still have Brienne in it. I mean I'm totally cool if they change it around as long as they keep the basics.

8) I totally did *not* miss Talisa. If she isn't there my enjoyment skyrockets, apparently. ;) But tulllyyyyyssssssss MY TULLYS I MISSED THEM SO MUCH D:

9) i kind of have a thing for Sandor (mostly book!Sandor though, show!Sandor got the short stick because apparently half of his story had to be thrown onto LF which I still don't fucking get) so it was nice to see him acting.. well, the way he's supposed to. And yeah poor guy, first his brother ruins his life and then he has to answer for his fuck-ups and having people say that they're alike? Yeah. :/

10) Oh yeah totally that was awesome. And I thought that Olenna was doing the subtle threat too but I'm not so sure that Cersei *got* it entirely. or well, I won't be sure of it until we see the aftermath of Joffrey's death - if she doesn't even suspect the Tyrells for a moment then she didn't get it. But yeah Olenna is totally trying to play Cersei the same way Margaery is playing Joffrey except that Cersei probably *got* that part.

11) I KNOWWWW. I KNOW. HJGKJFDGHKJHFKJDHGJFDKGH. THOSE TWO. MY BABIES. THE ONLY RAY OF HOPE IN THIS STUPID SERIES. ;_____; and yeah as a storyline is my second-favorite after Theon's adwd stuff, so JUST YES ALL OVERRRRRR

14) I thought it was gonna happen later DDDD: MORMONTT DDD: I kinda cried in the book too D: I'd have still liked if he had a couple of last words for either Sam or Green though - mostly because they cut that part where he said that he wanted Jorah to take the black and that he forgave him which a) was heartbreaking, b) well, it'd have been nice, but I see why they cut that.

SAM ON THE IRON THRONE THANKS.
The_Crazy_Freak: Puppy Samthe_crazy_freak on April 23rd, 2013 11:03 am (UTC)
6) Well, I don't usually crackship much, but this is the kind of crackship I can get down with. :P The show totally made them shippable, lol. xD

7) Yeah, I think that dream was very significant when it comes to Jaime (and his relationship with Brienne), so I'd be crushed if they didn't show it. But idk, they've been doing so well with this storyline that it's hard for me to believe they could go wrong with it (judging from the previews, they did the bath scene and the bear pit looks great as well, so I have a lot of faith that they'll do everything right, idk). Btw, it's not that I thought the conversation about the Mad king wasn't going to happen (it's a VERY important conversation), I was just afraid they might not do the whole bath thing (that they'll have the conversation elsewhere, like in a room or something). So when I saw it in the previews I was like HELL YEAH! x3

9) I didn't pay him that much mind in the books. I feel like I need to reread them, anyway. I feel like I'd be able to appreciate him more the next time round when I DO actually pay more attention, because he IS an interesting/complex character.

10) Well, I thought Cersei's paranoia has already started kicking in with the subtle threat, but maybe it hasn't. I'm probably too influenced by the books, so I'm seeing some things that aren't even there yet. xD

14) Omg, I totally forgot about the Jorah part from the books! Yeah, it would have been great if they showed it.
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the female ghost of tom joad: asoiaf >> night's watchjanie_tangerine on April 23rd, 2013 09:59 am (UTC)
2) I'm.. yeah, mostly perplexed. Like, wth. If it had something to do with LF all right, but... okay. Apparently Pod is just *that* good? Though I don't get the 'he's *that* good so we're letting him have free fucks'? Like since when if you're a prostitute you give out free fucks just like that especially in a middle age setting? Idek. And while I do get the mechanics ie why Ros wouldn't like LF... I just don't get the general point. Like, LF escaping with Sansa was something that not even *Sansa* knew when she left KL, but now at least Ros, Shae, Varys and Olenna know? I just don't generally get what they're trying to do, also because everyone seems to know what LF is up to in the show when his strength in the book was that no one had a fucking clue of what he was up to for real, so I'm just generally confused.

The only thing that still makes me doubt my theory is that they should have Ros *and* a totally random new person posing as Arya which would mean more complications (it's not like Theon can save two people, right) :/ anyway I totally hope I'm wrong too. I just want the show to prove me wrong for good. D:

3) Oh good, for a moment I went like 'what the fuck I can't have forgotten *that*'. And yeah me too - tbh it seemed more of a Ramsay thing to do? And while Varys can be creepy, he's not *that* kind of creepy? :/ and same - or better, I think that deep down he has a greater agenda then 'I want this this and this for my own benefit', but.. meh, it might also be that according to me the best for the realm would not necessarily coincide with LET'S RESTORE THE TARGARYENS REGARDLESS OF WHICH TARGARYEN. (Or: while I do like Daenerys, I think that she's better off khaleesing rather than ruling. And anyone directly related to Aerys shouldn't definitely rule on their own or with all the power, but that's my unpopular opinion.)

... hahahahaha I think it has to be the same I took, because the result for me was DROGO. And my basic gpoy in the entire series is SAM. I don't think that I share one basic trait with Drogo, lol. I had taken two others ages ago where I got Sam and Bran which actually make sense, but Drogo. Pff. I think that quiz is rigged ;)

4) Oh she totally was laying it on to him, but I really don't think that Tywin gives a shit either way. He's a horrible person and I totally loathe him as a human being but I have to respect his greatness in being a horrible person, if it makes sense.

5) Joffrey you need some lessons in 'how to have the crowd eating from your hands' class stat ;) but yeah Margaery is seriously so good at this I can't even. And I still keep on cackling if I think about how it's going to end.
The_Crazy_Freak: Puppy Samthe_crazy_freak on April 23rd, 2013 11:28 am (UTC)
2) Now that I think about it, you're right... It's totally ridiculous that Ros, Shae, Varys and Olenna know about LF's plan. O_o Like, if Sansa escapes after the PW fiasco, Varys is gonna KNOW it was probably LF who did it! Wouldn't he tell Tywin, Cersei (etc) to free Tyrion? That way he wouldn't have to bust him out with Jaime. It's gonna make zero sense. And what are they gonna do with Shae? In the show they made her pretty much loyal to Tyrion (unless she's that great of an actress, idk. her feelings for him seem genuine to me?) so I'm still not sure how they're gonna make her testify against him because at this point, I'm pretty sure she'd just give her life for Sansa and Tyrion. Idek anything anymore.
They're actually fucking up a lot of great potential with the LF thing. I think the TV audience would be so much more mindfucked if they had absolutely NO idea what LF was planning with Sansa and then all of a sudden (after the PW), surprise! LF was in cahoots with them. I also don't understand how Olenna is gonna get involved with LF since she's against him now. Like, what's gonna all of a sudden make her change her mind and cooperate with him on the PW? Why not just cooperate with Varys instead?

Exactly, it's something Ramsay would do, not Varys. And I'm totally with you on the "greater agenda for his own benefit" thing. Simply because (like you) I don't think his actions have exactly contributed much to the good of the realm (they've often done quite the opposite). Well, I don't think Daenerys would be a bad Westeros ruler, but I feel like there are some people that are better for the task. Though out of the people who are ACTUALLY vying for the throne, I don't think any of them is perfectly fit to be ruler, tbh. Not even Stannis who has done the most "for the good of the realm and not simply his own benefit" so far.

Omg, Drogo! xD Well, that was the only quiz I did, so I don't know what result I'd get if I did any more, but at the beginning I felt like I was most like Arya (but later on I figured out that I probably wasn't, lol). I think Sam is probably the closest to me too, yeah. :P

I know what you mean about Tywin.
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