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24 May 2011 @ 09:30 pm
this is another random-ish post which is mostly like OMG DEAN/CAS.  
1. Main point for which I'm doing this entry:

I CAN BARELY EXPRESS MY JOY. JUST - THIS SHIP. It makes me suffer like no other and it's throwing me for emotional rollercoasters but it's always given me such satisfaction. THESE TWO. Them and their profound bond and all the things they'd do for each other and everything Cas did for Dean and and and ;___; I'M IN LOVE WITH MY SHIP RIGHT NOW AND EVERYTHING IS AWESOME AND CANON DOESN'T HURT. Sorry for the gif spam but I feel so validated. XD

2. On less exciting news, top five post is still open for business! What I have for now is awesome but since I won't get to do it until the weekend..

3. I swear I'm going to stop talking about the SPN finale at some point, but I'm this close to make the first sort-of-polemic post in my entire fandom life. I don't like to be polemic but there's one thing that's being said a lot which is making me go like 'PLEASE DON'T'. Meeeh. Also I think there's too much finale-inspired stuff I want to write like some angst stuff where Godstiel brings Balthazar back to life because he needs a second-in-command and it's all very morally gray and possibly not very happy. and another proper-ish fix-it, and then I might go and write some more of that one I posted yesterday. Oh and the cracky vampire porn crossover. At least. When what I really should do is finish editing the spn_j2_bigbang story and get it betaed even if I have time for that.

4. Finals start in about two weeks or three. I'm absolutely NOT excited for that but at least it's just three. Which would be good. Except that we already started with bureaucracy crap and hell I so had NOT missed that. Italian university, such a failure.

5. Okay, that was all. Yes, not exactly consistent but it was made because of point one mostly. I'll now go writing stuff at the Lost comment fic meme at lostsquee while I rub my hands happily thinking about point one. Also I decided I'll try giving the weekly fic recs a go - let's see if I actually stick to it.
feeling: jubilantjubilant
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the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural castiel 5.0janie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 07:48 pm (UTC)

And ha, I love that SPN is kicking ass. It's like, they're making me happy on that side when they make me suffer on the other XDD and EEE YAY FOR RENEWED CAS/DEAN <333! I love those two. So much.

That I'm reading in a lot of comments, re Cas's situation, 'but how COULD Dean and Sam forgive him for everything he's done TO them?'. And I know it's me being invested but it's pissing me off. Because after everything he's done FOR them, and when he still was doing thing FOR them after 6x21, I just can't work with saying 'yes but he did shit in 6x22 which was unforgivable'. Considering ALL THE REST.. I don't think so. Also it might be me being the one person who thinks that Cas crashed Sam's wall to make him a favor rather than hurting him, which I guess puts another spin on things, but you just don't throw away three years like that. /end rant

... uhm, I'm invested in Cas, am I not?
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the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural castiel 3.0janie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 08:51 pm (UTC)
My take on the wall might be probably influenced by my utterly indecent Cas investment, lol, but I totally get the point about that. (Even if I'm 90% sure that Sam will be fine - hell, he conquered his memories of Hell to go help Dean, he arrived to wherever they ended up probably driving, he stabbed Cas and he was still standing on his feet, trauma or not I think that the worst is over. But that's just me, lol.) And I'm sure that Dean won't forgive THAT so easily, and Bobby won't either, but yeah WORD ABOUT YOUR SECOND-TO-LAST-PARAGRAPH. I'm totally okay with that.

The problem is the last paragraph - I mean, I probably put it wrong because it seemed like I was pissed at the show. It's not the show, it's the fanbase. I can't hear people saying 'after everything he did TO them' like everything Cas did this season was for the only purpose of fucking Dean and Sam over when the only reason he did everything was FOR them. (Then you can get into specifics and we can say that he should have asked for help, he has fucked up, it was a bad idea, in 6x22 he did a lot of crappy things - I'll totally give you that.) But it makes me feel like after three seasons and after 6x20 showed clearly that Cas LOVES them, even fandom is slamming doors into his face you know? :( I mean, shit, no one said that Dean and Sam were done when Sam spent S4 doing his gig (talks one who has never disliked Sam even when he was doing crappy stuff.) I just can't hear that he deserves to die when S7 begins :(( (and for having worked with Crowley and lying about it - WELL WHAT DID DEAN AND SAM DO FOR HALF OF S6.) I don't have a problem with the characters - I get that if you say it's going to be hard - but people saying they won't even take it into consideration - ugh. Can't.

Edited at 2011-05-24 08:52 pm (UTC)
prettybird on May 24th, 2011 07:43 pm (UTC)
You know what I love, as a fan of both of the final pairings? The giant mutual lovefest in the comments during the final round. What meanness was there was not coming from K/B fans or D/C fans but other 'shippers trying to cause trouble. Hecklers were swiftly tossed out by both groups who afterward went back to having cookies and hot chocolate together under a rainbow.

Oh, and kleanstiel

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the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural dean/cas swan song #1janie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 07:55 pm (UTC)
Oh you're so right. I don't watch Glee at all (though I appreciate that they have a gay couple doing things on screen ;) ) but I was already glad that two m/m ships got in the final round so I'd have been happy even if K/B had won. (Clearly I was hoping for D/C but well. XD) And I just love that it ended up in a lovefest. And I might just join that comm even if I'm totally unfamiliar with half of that quartet. XD
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prettybird on May 24th, 2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
Been thinking about that myself. :)

I could easily see Kurt's dad as a retired hunter friend of Bobby's who decided to get out when his wife was killed (as we still don't have a canon explanation for how she died). Hell, he and Bobby dress pretty much the same way. :P
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the female ghost of tom joad: take over the worldjanie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 09:03 pm (UTC)
I don't remember the name but I do remember what happened: Puck and Finn hired the Winchesters to excorcise Rachel Berry. Cause she's totally possessed.

Dude I don't even watch Glee though I know who these people are because half of my fl does and I'd TOTALLY read the hell out of that fic. If you ever find it again I'll be happy to read it, lolol.
joy: d/c » started crossing the line becausejoyyjpg on May 24th, 2011 07:44 pm (UTC)
THEY ACTUALLY WON. That is like. The most awesome thing ever. ALSO: GIF SPAM. *steals them all*

I can't even pretend I don't want to know what's making you all PLEASE DON'T for S7. Is it just speculation or are they handing out spoilers already?

Anything involving bring Balthazar back to life is good by me so, WRITE THAT ONE. Or all of them. Even if I don't want the vampire porn. :D

Good luck with finals!
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural dean/cas ANGSTjanie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 07:52 pm (UTC)

And oh no it's not about S7, it's about fandom. The only thing I read about S7 was actually good (it's another thing Sera said, not talking about it here because people could get spoiled) but I went like YAY when reading it, so it's not S7 speculation pissing me off. It's people not-in-Cas-fandom saying 'how could Sam and Dean ever forgive Castiel after everything he did TO them' and every time I read it I feel like going all Jack Torrance on them. I'd say, after everything he did FOR them =_='' idk it seems like no one is taking 6x20 into account. And I just - I know it's me being invested but it just pisses me off. Which means I'd get very polemic and blah.

Lol I need to think about that one. Because it'd end very badly if I go with what I have but I want to see if there's a way I can salvage the ending without making it seem like I want everything to be fluffy unicorns.

Thank you! :D
getting the chocolate in the peanut butter: spn: dean and cas: my kryptonitedotfic on May 24th, 2011 08:23 pm (UTC)
\o/ I cannot even believe how hard I am shipping this. Clearly I enjoy pain. ♥

On this finale there are so many fandom polemics I don't agree with I couldn't even begin so I didn't even try. Oh, polemics.
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural + nick cave = otpjanie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 08:27 pm (UTC)

I get most of the problems people have with it even if I'm okay with it all things considered, and I don't want to be polemic because I'm 100% sure that one reason I've done fine in fandom in three years is that I've never done polemic posts once, but that particular issue is making me see red. (It's in the comment above this so I won't rant about it now.) I just - ugh. I guess I can't see how people can even make that point. X__X
getting the chocolate in the peanut butter: spn: dean and cas: so marrieddotfic on May 24th, 2011 08:51 pm (UTC)
My polemical thingie could be shipped with your polemical thingie--namely, I am not seeing how this is all Dean's fault and that he betrayed Castiel. I feel terrible for both of them. Although I do see messing with Sam as crossing a certain boundary, I don't believe Dean and Sam won't forgive him, and you probably saw my commentary on my wtf if the show doesn't redeem him. That would be a huge bzuh? But Dean is really taking it on the chin in fandom in ways that boggle me. It's been going on all season, regarding Sam and Castiel--I see Dean so much differently. I see him running himself to the ground trying to save them. Fandom keeps saying he doesn't do enough.

I SHIP IT SO MUCH IT HURTS. Their faces. Their hurt faces. And Dean's feeling that were semi-buried and repressed even though we had hints going out on parade now, because yes, he loves Castiel. \o/
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural + nick cave = otpjanie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 08:59 pm (UTC)
SEE THEY'RE SHIPPABLE, everywhere we go we always get back to D/C, lol. That said I don't think it's all Dean's fault either. I think it was 50/50 - Cas did a lot of stupid things and Dean had given him a half-way out in 6x20, so I'm not going to say it's all his fault even if tbh in 6x21 he could have dropped it if you ask me. ;) ;) and I totally agree 100% with what you said about show having to redeem Cas and with Dean running himself into the ground for the both of them. (I think we agree about pretty much everything re the finale.) And I'm sure they won't just blink and forgive Cas, but I just wish fandom would stop putting things in a way that goes 'oh yeah Cas spent the entirety of S6 fucking them over and now OMG HE'S EVIL WELL HE CAN DIE IN S7 DO NOT CARE'. Idk if I read it it just seems like fandom is slamming doors in his face all over again.

getting the chocolate in the peanut butter: spn: dean and cas: there for youdotfic on May 24th, 2011 09:29 pm (UTC)
At this point, I may as well say Sam and Dean are not forgiveable. Castiel has done plenty for them -- and it was so sweet in 6.20 hearing Dean acknowledge it, when Sam and Bobby were the ones doubtful. I mean, wow, that speech--Dean *noticed* Castiel. He's just so bad at expressing. Dean got it. Cas has screwed up plenty, but if someone dislikes Castiel, nothing he does will ever be good enough, let alone when he does make a mistake, things they would forgive in Sam and Dean. Canon has fewer hard baises than fandom.

SHIIIIIIIP! ♥ It's not sinking! It's BEING AFFIRMED. It is floating on the affirmation sea and among the most canon non-canon things that ever were (almost) canon. ♥ ♥
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural + nick cave = otpjanie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 11:47 pm (UTC)
I know? I mean if you had to make the grocery shopping list of everything questionable people did in this show we'd be there for months. And YES, YES, YES ABOUT 6x20 EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT. I love that Dean was the one who understood it while no one else did - I'll be grateful if only for that. And yeah, I figured after the finale that Cas dislikers would be like that, but it's also coming from people who I know liked him before and it's making me go :(((( It makes me feel like people just skipped 6x20 entirely. ;__;

It's BEING AFFIRMED. It is floating on the affirmation sea and among the most canon non-canon things that ever were (almost) canon. ♥ ♥

THERE'S A REASON WHY I'LL SINK WITH THAT SHIP HOWEVER IT GOES. It's so affirmed that I could weep in joy. ♥
Xarixianxarixian on May 24th, 2011 08:52 pm (UTC)
YESSSS!! I'm so fucking happy we won!
Dean/Castiel is the most satisfactory pairing I have ever seen or read, out of all of them, and they're not even canon. They keep me hooked and watching the show (although I did already love love love the show before Cas came along).
Just, awesome.

Good luck with finals!
the female ghost of tom joad: take over the worldjanie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 09:05 pm (UTC)
ME TOO. THOSE TWO. THEIR FACES. And well, I think that it's canon that they DO love each other, though not necessarily as strictly romance as we put it, at least. And heck I'm with you, I watched from before but Cas kept me invested like no other things. Those two. I feel so validated. ♥

Thanks! I'm just afraid of all the bureaucracy crap I'll have to go through before actually STARTING the finals.
A.: Dean/Casvella_amor_dm on May 24th, 2011 11:31 pm (UTC)

3. polemic post? o.O what happened!?! (also, bring on the fanfictions :D)

4. good luck with your exams bb!
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural + nick cave = otpjanie_tangerine on May 24th, 2011 11:43 pm (UTC)
1. SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP <33333333333333333333333333 I think that I reached a zen point where I hope that next season they don't botch the potentially awesome storyline that they COULD do and write fix-it fic until the hiatus is over, lol, but YES THAT. THEY MAKE ME SUFFER AND ANGST BUT THEN THEY'RE SO REWARDING.

3. I'm just starting to want to punch through my computer screen whenever I hear raging comments being like 'after all Castiel did TO Dean and Sam I'll be glad if he dies first thing next season'. Which - show-wise while I'm hoping that S7 ends up being also about Dean trying to bring Cas back, I do realize that it'll take a while for Dean to forgive all the bad decisions Cas took, and I have no problems with that. But. Fandom-wise come on. WE KNOW. You saw 6x20. You can't seriously tell me that you'll be glad if he dies for all the things he did TO them when everything he did, right or wrong, was FOR them. I'm probably too invested but dammit poor guy's already suffering in canon, I don't need fandom to be like that.

4. Thanks! Ugh I'm just glad it's only three of them really.
A.vella_amor_dm on May 29th, 2011 11:13 pm (UTC)
1. FIX-IT FIC! do want! and your fix-it fic is so damn good so write to your heart's content bb! (i'm nto sure if i've commented on both but i have been reading them! :D)

3. stupid people are stupid *nods* ou can't seriously tell me that you'll be glad if he dies for all the things he did TO them when everything he did, right or wrong, was FOR them - this is a fact, not just you seeing things with rose-tinted glasses.
the female ghost of tom joad: !!! <3janie_tangerine on May 31st, 2011 09:20 pm (UTC)
Lol thank you! :D I think I have more of that in me, lol. I mean I did two but I'll do more at some point.

I know? I mean uuugh. He did shit FOR them. It's obvious. DON'T HATE ON HIM NOW :(((
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the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural + nick cave = otpjanie_tangerine on May 25th, 2011 10:15 am (UTC)
ozmissage: SPN. Dean/Cas. future tense.ozmissage on May 25th, 2011 04:00 am (UTC)
Aww, that's awesome! Those boys are so freaking adorable together when they're not busy being all heartbreak-y that is. ;)
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural + nick cave = otpjanie_tangerine on May 25th, 2011 10:17 am (UTC)
I know? When they're not making me want to cry they're so perfect I can't even say.