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26 June 2011 @ 01:57 am
this is mostly about game of thrones (the book, not the show)  
So, first final was what here we'd call a failure all over the line, but whatever, I knew that. So, what do I do instead of killing myself over revising for the next one?

That's right, I went past page fifty of GoT. I finished half an hour ago. Two days ago I wasn't even on page 100. I guess it sadly means I'm hooked, dammit. PEOPLE WHO READ IT I NEED YOUR SAGE ADVICE. After the end of the reaction post, though I don't think it'll be that coherent.

1. Uhm. So. Wow.

2. Point is: I usually don't like fantasy. The only pure fantasy book I ever liked was Lord of the Rings. The Dark Tower doesn't count because it's a genres mash-up and what sold it for me was the western part of it, not the fantasy part of it. So the fact that I loved it means that it's really goddamn good, lol. But seriously, I enjoyed the whole thing a lot. I like that it's all politics and morally gray characters (okay, mostly) and I really really like the entire story.

3. Clearly, since I am coherent with my character tendencies, my favorite is Robb. Aka the only Stark over four years old without a pov. *facepalms forever* And possibly the one Stark that doesn't look safe at all right now, but I'm not sure I want to be spoiled so whatever, I'll be here quietly forever freaking out. My other favorites are Jon, Daenerys, Ned (or well, WAS), Tyrion and Jaime. I like Arya a lot and I think I'll like Sansa in the future - this book I was like 'oh dear girl please wake up and notice that your perfect prince is a stupid psycho brat that needs a bunch of slapping' every time she had a POV but I think I can totally learn to love her if she maintains what she promises. Catelyn would have been cool but she lost me when she told Jon he should've been the one falling off the window. Bran is cool too but I'll admit that the reason I looked forward to his POVs was that Robb was in them lolol. Also I like everyone at the wall except for Alliser (and I keep on writing Alistair - Supernatural, damn you). I also liked the Hound a lot. And Lannister father - surely he has more brains than his stupid nephew, though shame on him for not always appreciating Tyrion's awesomeness. Re people I dislike: Viserys had to be my least favorite and I didn't shed a tear when he died, Joffrey has to get beheaded sometime before book three and Lysa/her kid creep me out so much that I can't even fathom it. Suspended judgment: Cersei - I think I could appreciate her but until now she only hurt people I like so I can't exactly be like OMG AWESOME so ask me when I read two, at least and Littlefinger - I did like him but the Ned situation was enough to make me stop. Also I liked Khal Drogo a lot - yeah, shame.

4. Ship-wise: I totally liked Daenerys/Drogo. Clearly - yeah. Right. *facepalm* I also think I ship Jon/Sam *facepalm again* but then again Sam's utter mancrush on Jon was priceless. Also with a canon incest pairing I have to go think that I'd have totally done Jon/Robb if they were older than fourteen. *facepalm all over again* Never ask me how the heck my head works.

5. Anyway, THEY HAVE ZOMBIES? THAT'S SO COOL. LIKE, SO COOL. I'm so excited about the zombies, you can't even.

Also I want my own direwolf.

6. Uhm, so. I mostly enjoyed the whole thing, but also because I was half-spoiled. I mean, I had read about Ned dying on freaking Wikipedia one day when I went to check what it was about (and it's like IN THE FIRST TWO LINES OF CHARACTER DESCRIPTION, WTF), so when he actually died I was only pissed at how, not about him dying at all. Also I knew it was because of Joffrey (heck when all your Twitter feed goes like JOFFREY YOU LITTLE SHIT DIE you sort of get it), but for some reason I was sure that they had him killed because he hadn't confessed treason. I hadn't realized that they had him killed AFTER he confessed. Now the only thing I want to see is Robb cutting Joffrey's head. Anyway. I also knew that Khal Drogo was going to die because I saw a graphic on someone's tumblr (and readily blocked all GoT posts from my dash), and the other two deaths - well, I had got that Robert was going to bite it if Ned had to bite it, and like hell I'd have shed a tear for Viserys (tbh I had wanted to see him die suffering since the second time he opened his mouth - I hate the Henry Dean of the situation *cough* *notsousefulreference*), so it didn't exactly fuck me over in terms of character death.

Now, point is: I read the book because I wanted to see the series, knowing that it was the kind of thing that appealed to me, but since I used to be green with envy at ASoIaF getting the HBO series while the Dark Tower is getting what'll be the suckiest book adaptation ever or so it seem (okay, irrational but still, fantasy series, right?) I figured, if I read the book and I'll like it I stop having quibbles. And clearly now I'm hooked so I'll watch the show when I'm done with exams and keep on with the series. Problem: I know that it gets worse in character death terms and last time I really got attached to a character in a fantasy series and said person died, I cried for four hours, smacked the book across the room, freak out my mom and okay, you got it. And it was ONE. Now, I did enjoy this one even if one of my favorites died because I knew it. And I'm getting invested already. Question: should I spoil myself to death regarding who bites it though not regarding how they bite it or it's a very bad idea? I really like the whole thing, but I'm absolutely not interested in repeating what I call the Dark Tower experience. (Actually after that I had sworn to myself to never start a series if not finished - yeah, right. Please don't tell me that he likes to end books with cliffhangers because then I can go and curse myself.) Idk, to people who read it without being spoiled, does it really kill the investment? I need advice on how to go with this because I want to enjoy it, not to tear off my hair.

7. By the way, killing Ned like that took guts. I get how it works in the story's span, and anyway I started it knowing he was going to bite it, but woah. I do get why my Twitter feed was insane when it happened in the series. :/ anyway, throwing this one against the wall is something I still haven't wanted to do. If the story's quality keeps on and he doesn't fuck with me a la Dark Tower VII I can work with it.

8. ... I'm ridiculously hooked, dammit. Also re the ending - uhm, just wow. That was some powerful stuff.

9. Also: in which episode there's that bit about Daenerys eating the horse's heart? Because I can deal with violence and blood baths and bloodbaths and cut heads, but that bit was making me retch reading it. I might want to know so I can conveniently not look.

10. Regarding plot points I guess that right now I'm mostly interested in: a) what the fuck is Robb going to do, b) what the holy crap is happening at the Wall and where the heck is Ben Stark anyway (zombie army leader?), c) wtf will happen with Tyrion. Also Arya is ending up at the Wall, y/y? And I really want to know what happens with Sansa now as well. I hope as fuck she gets to spit in Joffrey's face at least. Also I want to know how they're gonna bring the people in Winterfell back into the picture since both Bran and his brother seem pretty out of commission for the moment. Oh and of course I also want Daenerys to storm back down with a horde of barbarians and conquer the world ;)

11. Oh, wait. If after three quarters of this book being about Stannis Baraethon he doesn't deliver on all the expectations for awesomeness that I have I'll be sorely disappointed.

12. Also Robb is so totally my favorite. Sigh. I like people too young for the position they're in, especially if they're also too nice for their own good, secretly not-so-made-of-steel and as honorable as it gets. Doesn't hurt that I was gone at the description since guy has exactly the kind of face I like, but okay. I'll just resign myself to his lack of POVs, shall I.

13. Also it's two AM and I've been on that book since eight PM, so I might want to quit talking about it. Wait for me to watch the series and start talking about it all over again.
 
 
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the female ghost of tom joad: tangerinesjanie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 09:34 am (UTC)
Ugh. The point is that I'm already half-hooked. And considering my track record (aka: everyone I like bites it) I'm not sure I can hope that since there's a bunch of people maaaybe my favorites are going to pull through. :/

Oh well I'll just sit here, wait for the books and read them in trepidation. And haha yeah I guess no one is safe indeed - though UGH. PUNCH TO THE STOMACH. (Re Ned, at least.)
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the female ghost of tom joad: tangerinesjanie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 09:32 am (UTC)
Lol it's like, HURT MY FAVORITES AND YOU'RE FOREVER LOST TO ME. If she ever apologizes to him I could like her, but that bit just made me want to slap her for eternity. YES I HAVE A THING FOR NOT-APPRECIATED PEOPLE SO WHAT. *cuddles Jon*

Well if they upped the ages I can live with it. I mean, in the book it's all good, but maybe for TV having a fourteen-year old girl doing everything Dany does might be a bit too much lolol. And ha, well, it was a very GOOD scene, nothing to say, but you're talking with one who spent that SPN episode with the guy slowly becoming a cannibal wanting to vomit (and almost getting there) so I'll leave it for someone else. ;)

I'll eventually read them (meaning as soon as they arrive XD), I don't think I can quit now!
elliotsmelliot: GoT cat Robbelliotsmelliot on June 26th, 2011 03:33 am (UTC)
I finished reading the first book today too! I'm sorry you were spoiled for so many things, but maybe it was good in terms of knowing about Ned's death.

I really like Robb too. In the series he doesn't get featured much until the end, I was like, "Hey who is this non-emo Stark boy?" when he finally got to do something. (Jon and Bram bore me a little.)

I feel the Dany/Drogo relationship is different in the series, but that's all I'll say. I really liked her a lot. And wow, the brother was such as asshole and got what he deserved.

Cate is very harsh with Jon, but she did do a lot of cool things, like stopping the dagger with her hands. She grew on me with time. SO did Jamie, who I started off hating and then ended up liking. Like you I am undecided on The Queen for now.

I'm torn between starting the next book right away or waiting to watch S2 first.
the female ghost of tom joad: tangerinesjanie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 09:48 am (UTC)
Oh it totally was good that I knew about Ned. I'd have had more visceral reactions if I hadn't - then again even if I hadn't read it on Wiki it'd have been my twitter feed, but I didn't particularly mind. I'm totally not spoiled about the rest though - let's see how it goes..

Haha you're so right that he's the not-emo Stark boy! Bram can get boring but then again in the books he was the only POV that made me see what Robb was doing, so. And haha Jon is so emo it's not even funny, but I sadly like people with complexes. Which he has. But it's good to know that they do feature him in the end because in the books there's still too little of him.

Viserys - uuugh. Really, can you get less sympathetic than that :/ I so didn't shed a single tear when he bit it. And I think I know what they changed in the series but I hope it doesn't spoil the entire thing eventually because I really liked that relationship.

Oh, Catelyn would be totally cool if not for that. (And for having taken Tyrion prisoner in the inn thus managing to start half of the entire chain of events lol then again I can't fault her that much for it.) I like her, I want to like her, but it'll take her some more work to make me forget that bit. :/ Also I like Jaime in the way you like interesting bad guys with charm, but he's pretty intriguing. Cersei on the other side, not so much. I need to see/read more.

I don't think I'll be strong enough to wait - then again I'm pretty sure I want to read the books first because if I had watched the series while it aired without knowing anything and without knowing that Ned was biting it I'd have been totally devastated.
elliotsmelliot: GoT Tyrionelliotsmelliot on June 26th, 2011 12:56 pm (UTC)
I forgot to mention Tyrion in my first post. He is my favourite character. I feel for him in the show and the book! I blame Cate's sister for the mess up with him as a prisoner. Otherwise I almost think he respects Cate.
the female ghost of tom joad: tangerinesjanie_tangerine on June 28th, 2011 10:50 am (UTC)
Tyrion is so amazing! :D he's totally in my top five. I so feel for him too - he's probably the only Lannister I feel for (I do like Jaime, but I don't really feel for him XD). And yeah the mess was totally to blame on Cate's sister, but if he hadn't been taken prisoner at all maybe it'd have been better. Not that I exactly blame Cate for that - my dislike comes for other reason. ;)
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the female ghost of tom joad: dark tower >> rolandjanie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 09:39 am (UTC)
I don't want to get spoiled either tbh, but on the other side I like my mind at peace. XD idk maybe I should get someone who read them to tell me who bites it, but then again maybe not. If I get at one point when I'm not enjoying it anymore because I'm too pissed about people being dead I'll spoil myself, if not well good for me. ;) and haha the DT IS mild in comparison character-death wise, though I highly doubt (for now) that this will ever get THAT reaction out of me (I think you know what I'm talking about lolol but shutting up so I don't spoil everyone else). And haha I need to be ready to tear 3 away? Good to know. XD I'll start it with the knowledge firm in mind.

(Damn my finals need to be over now so I can actually see that. Because it'd be glorious. I mean okay they're brothers but... same age! they like each other! genuinely! Robb doesn't really care about Jon's status! COME ON. *sighs* idek. *raises hands in defeat*)
The Cleaveragekel_reiley on June 26th, 2011 05:00 am (UTC)
2. that's what got me, too, how the fantasy part of it isn't really the main focus

3. i liked Robb in the books, but the HBO series made me LOVE HIM SO MUCH! also, sansa really grows on you b/c she goes through a lot of shit

we are on the same page with all the likes/dislikes

4. you haven't met one half of my fave pairing yet... SOON

5. ZOMG ZOMBIES RIGHT?

6. i read it without being spoiled AT ALL and... well, i generally prefer that tbh, though lots of things came as HUGE SHOCKS and, um, i cried a bit at certain parts

9. that part is super gross in the show, LOOK AWAY

the female ghost of tom joad: dark tower eddie has the best quotesjanie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 09:52 am (UTC)
2) Yeah, that. I'm pretty sure that I hate fantasy focused fantasy, lol, so I like that this is basically scheming, scheming and moar scheming.

3) OOH GOOD TO KNOW :DDD because I love him to pieces already, the series will just finish me. And I have the suspicion that I'll like Sansa a lot more with another book read - also in this one she was freaking eleven, I won't be mad at her.

4) Is half of that pairing Brienne or Stannis? Apparently they're both awesome. We'll see when I get there. XD

5) ZOMBIEEES! THAT'S AWESOME! ZOMBIE ARMY FTWWW.

6) Well I doubt anything will ever get as bad as that-thing-happening-in-the-middle-of-the-last-Dark-Tower-book got for me, but I decided that I'm getting into it unspoiled and if it becomes too much I'll ask someone to tell me who dies and that's it. ;)

9) Ah, don't worry. I look away during SUPERNATURAL ffs (I spent half of My Bloody Valentine minimizing lolol) I highly doubt I'll do it here. Bleeargh.
The Cleaveragekel_reiley on June 26th, 2011 10:34 am (UTC)
4. BRIENNE! YES

5. omg the zombies get even better

9. lol in supernatural i swear the only parts i can't stand to watch are when ppl are eating (unless it's dean, cuz that's usually just funny)
Faefaechan on June 26th, 2011 07:24 am (UTC)
Visto che ci stavo facendo un pensierino anche io \o/!, per curiosità: l'hai letto in italiano o in originale? :o
the female ghost of tom joadjanie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 09:56 am (UTC)
Eee vaaai *suggerimenti subliminali* ee originale! Non leggo libri inglesi tradotti da secoli, e in questo caso nell'edizione italiana hanno pure diviso tutti i libri in due e non avrei neppure saputo da dove cominciare ;)
Faefaechan on June 26th, 2011 10:07 am (UTC)
...sai cosa, sono incerta perchè non ho mai affrontato letture lunghe in inglese che fossero più complesse di Harry Potter, per cui XD *si vergogna* non dubito di riuscirci, in un modo o nell'altro, ma non vorrei che mi risultasse troppo pesante °A°
the female ghost of tom joadjanie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 10:14 am (UTC)
Mah, è pesantino in termini di contenuto, ma se parliamo di lingua in senso stretto non è troppo tremendo. Ho letto di meno comprensibile XDD ;) d'altra parte parli con una delle tre persone sulla faccia della terra che HP non l'ha mai letto quindi il confronto diretto non saprei farlo ;)
Lou: ASOIF Jaimegottalovev on June 26th, 2011 11:20 am (UTC)
Sweetheart, there in one thing to remember with those books: never EVER get attached on the point of putting your enjoyment on one character because something horriblr is going to happen to them (milage may vary from serious injury to the most horrific fate)

If being spoiled for Ned helped, maybe it could be a good idea to know who dies. Though let's be real here, no one,and i mean NO ONE is safe. and i say that with my anti-spoilers stance, you know? On the other hand, ASOIAF is all about the twists and the experience of throwing the book against the wall and sob, so.....

If you thought book 1 was harsh with the deaths.... It gets worse. Bet the characters have epic journeys and for some... Well it's great while it lasts and i'm trying to focus on that. ;)
the female ghost of tom joad: reading 3.0janie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 11:31 am (UTC)
I'm glad that I like more than one person then XDDD I have definite favorites though. But my favorites always die so I'd be surprised if half of them don't die before book four lolol.

I decided that I'm going unspoiled for now. If I get to a point where the killings threaten to make me get a nervous breakdown I'll just calmly PM someone who read it all and get them to hand me just the names and not the circumstances. I'm not sure what I think about the harshness of 1 because out of four major characters one didn't make me feel anything in particular, one I was actually freaking glad for, and the other two I had known with enough advance to expect them so while the circumstances for Ned were harsh I couldn't say the same about the rest. Which is why I'm going to try unspoiled and see if it's better or not.

Be ready for me posting about throwing books against a wall in two weeks or so since I don't think I'll get to dreaded book three before then... (or at least everyone is making me go like BOOK THREE BEWARE XD)
bold_seer: tv: thrones + sansa (song)bold_seer on June 26th, 2011 04:34 pm (UTC)
never EVER get attached on the point of putting your enjoyment on one character because something horriblr is going to happen to them

<- What she said. After book one I learnt that, and now I have like - twenty characters I'm rooting for? One of them must make it till the end, I'm sure of it! XD

I don't read that much fantasy either, apparently, or that I noticed after starting to sort things by genre on Goodreads, but those books are super addictive. I read book one one summer, ordered the next one immediately from the library after having finished the first one, and then bought books three and four.

Sansa's arc is great, yeah. I have to admit I disliked Cat in the books, at least at first, but now I love her thanks to HBO!Cat. Dany wasn't originally my favourite, either, but the TV-series completely changed that. Interesting that you like Jaime already, because people usually don't until a certain - event; (mostly) everyone likes Tyrion, Jon and Arya. My current fave character has yet to make his appearance for you!

Ah, you might want to consider spoiling yourself if you think that'll make it easier. Otoh, you may learn things that may spoil your enjoyment. I'd probably want to know. (But not about the newest book before I read that one next month!) Because I really was so upset about Ned that I couldn't continue reading the book until days after. I may have been spoiled about the next big thing. Probably because I immediately started googling fansites etc.

Could talk about ASoIaF all day! Right, exams here, too. But really, they are great books - great (grey) characters, interesting twists and turns, twisted politics - and the graphics fandom and discussions about the books and show are awesome.
the female ghost of tom joad: tangerinesjanie_tangerine on June 26th, 2011 05:35 pm (UTC)
Lol for now I have like six or seven? Or eight. Well I can only hope that all of them don't die XDD

They ARE goddamn addictive aren't they. And well on the internet I could get the last three for like twenty euros altogether so I just figured I'd buy them and be done with it. Apparently I like the whole thing, err.

My problem with Cat in the books is that she's disgustingly mean to poor Jon. Or well. I get that she'd be but 'it should have been you falling off the window?'. Just. EUGH. He's FOURTEEN AND ALREADY HAS ABANDONMENT ISSUES LADY. XD (Yeah, I'm apparently invested. Shiiit.)

Dany is my favorite girl right now! She's just so awesome. And hahah well I love Tyrion (who's totes my favorite Lannister hands down), Jon and Arya too but my favorite stays Robb. ;) And well, I kinda have a thing for ruthless guys who do bad things but do them with charm, which I guess is why I reallyreally like Jaime but I have suspended judgment on his sister. Though then again she hasn't done much until now.

Mmh. Idk I don't particularly want to get spoiled. But I don't even want to get nervous breakdowns over a book again (yeaaah, I'll never trust Stephen King in my entire life *cough*) so I just decided that for now I'm going unspoiled, if it gets too much I'll PM someone who read it all and ask them for the names only. And haha poor Ned. If I hadn't known he was going to bite it I'd have been so pissed. But then again that one was hard to avoid, I'd have realized it even if I hadn't known for months. ;)

UUUGH EXAMS. *sigh* I can't stand this anymore. And I can't wait to do fandom as soon as I'm caught up! With the show too, but that's for next month.
A.vella_amor_dm on June 27th, 2011 03:51 am (UTC)
I AM HAPPY THAT YOU LOVE GAME OF THRONES :D SOOOOOOOO GOOD!

i love Robb, but i love Jon more ;D also TYRION! i haven't read the books though so my opinions may change once i've read the series. they seem to have made the characters much older in the show though... like, i thought Jon and Robb were in their 20s
the female ghost of tom joad: !!! <3janie_tangerine on June 28th, 2011 10:54 am (UTC)
IT IS. :DDD I so can't wait to check the show. Except.. EXAMS X____X siiiigh.

Haha you can have Jon and I'll keep Robb then ;) ;) and we can cuddle Tyrion with turns XDD well I do totally get why they aged them up - there's some stuff they do in the book when they're fourteen that wasn't going to fly even on HBO. Not that I mind, it means I can perv on them and not feel guilty. ;) ;)
Zelda: GoT - Daeneryszelda_zee on June 27th, 2011 11:27 pm (UTC)
It's hard to know what to tell you. For myself, I find being spoiled impacts my experience of a a show or book, so I'd be inclined to not advise you to spoil yourself. But if you don't, I have to reiterate what Lou is always telling we ASOIAF newbies - do NOT allow yourself to become attached to any individual character. If you read the books in the same mindset that I imagine Martin writes them - that is, that everyone is vulnerable, no one is safe, all characters service the overarching story at all times and their individual fates are insignificant in the grand scheme except for how they propel the story forward - you might be okay.

Personally, nothing that happened after impacted me as hard as Ned's death. But I was unspoiled and hugely in love w/Ned.

It also maybe useful to know that Martin will not take the story where you think it is going. What you expect and hope to happen (whatever that may be) will not happen. Instead, something you could not have foreseen or predicted will happen instead. The story he is telling is never the story you think he is telling. This is both good and bad. Fucking with expectation probably leads to a more original story, but on the other hand, a lot of those conventions of storytelling are conventions because they work. I like resolution to my storylines, something that Martin is not wedded to in the least.

Catelyn is one of my favorite characters. She is flawed though, and very unfair when it comes to Jon Snow, who is my favorite along with Daenerys. Catelyn has amazing strength though, and dignity. I found her believable and, in all ways but one, admirable.

I don't recall which ep Daenerys eats the horse's heart in, but I think it's a great scene so I'd encourage you to watch it. You see how she's finding her strength and how Drogo is a part of that process for her. The bond between them is very visible. It's pretty great.
the female ghost of tom joad: tangerinesjanie_tangerine on June 28th, 2011 11:05 am (UTC)
I think that sadly I DID sort of attach myself to SOME individuals so I can only hope that I went with the right people (which in my case never happens anyway), but I guess I'll just do it knowing that they might die at any given second. And I'll totally go with that mindset - at worst, if it gets too bad I'll just ask for the names to someone who read it already and not for the how. But for now I'll go in unspoiled.

Ouch, Ned :((( I'm half-sure I didn't allow myself to get that attached because I knew he was going to die but if I hadn't known... I'd have probably been right there with you. *sniff*

Mmh, good to know. I don't mind being fucked with as long as it's fair fucking. If it even makes sense. I mean, if it serves the entire story and the entire story actually works then I'll be here braced and having the OMGWTF moments and I'll eventually be all right with it. I'm just very wary of unfair fucking since that's exactly what imo happened with the only other series I was ever invested in and it was a perfect case of stuff happening to service a story that wasn't worth servicing. But from what I gathered it's not the case. *knocks on wood* Also I've already been warned that I'll want to throw the third book at the wall though no one told me why, so at least I'm braced for that.

I just wish she hadn't been THAT unfair with Jon because if she hadn't I'd like her a lot more. I mean, I actually do like her, and I get why she'd be unfair with him, but when I decide I like someone and someone else treats them like crap I tend not to be rational. But if she keeps on being awesome I'll get over it.

I'll try, especially since I loved the whole thing in the book, but I can barely handle people eating raw meat in things that are mild in comparison (IE SPN), I'm not sure I can watch her eating that entire thing. I'll see when I get to it though. Which won't be for another two weeks.
Annwynannwyn on July 4th, 2011 06:49 pm (UTC)
(I erased my previous comment because yeah, stupid me, it could have been a bit spoilery)

I understand your addiction with Game of Thrones... did that to me too, I was on vacation and went rampage on reading the whole series. It just gets better and better and I can't wait for July 12th for the new book as I do miss some characters (no real spoiler there, don't worry, George cut part four into two books because he had too much to tell, so some major characters are missing in part 4 but we'll have them back on part 5 and I can't wait!)

Also if I should recommand you "She, who rides the tempests" (well it's the name in french, not sure about the original name) by Martin and Lisa Tuttle. That book is... oh so beautiful. It's a poetic in a way.

I've never been a fan of fantasy either, except for Ender's game by Orson Scott Card that I warmly recommand to you too. But Game of Thrones is so smart: so well written, such a great plot, never falling into "cliches" (as much as I like Tolkien...)

Now that I know that you suffer from an obsession with GoT, I think I love you even more.

Didn't think that was possible =)
the female ghost of tom joad: GoT >> ZOMBIES!janie_tangerine on July 6th, 2011 08:37 pm (UTC)
No problem, I hadn't read it. ;)

Jesus I'm insane. I started it on June 23rd and I already finished the third. MADNESS. But they're like drugs! I can't help it! And I knew about that but when I read the list for who was in 4 and who wasn't I couldn't help being very happy that book five will be out now. ;) Thankfully it's evenly spread - some of the ones I liked are in 4 and some aren't so I guess I didn't get all the people I didn't care for in one book. ;)

And I'll check it out, thanks. :) I think that I like Tolkien because he pretty much invented the whole thing and that I dislike fantasy in general because to me it always sounds like a variation on the Tolkien theme, lol. And the only fantasy series that I ever loved is Stephen King's Dark Tower, which isn't proper fantasy, so I guess that I like GoT because it's more scheming and politics than creatures. And IT HAS ZOMBIES. ;) And you're too nice to me really. <33
Annwyn: ANN WINannwyn on July 7th, 2011 06:25 pm (UTC)
Nah, you're not insane... Well, I did the exact same thing, totally "eating the books" and I'm sure we're not the only ones :p

I liked the "split of POV" also, it's refreshing and serves the story perfectly. Jamie's POV is very interesting and bring a lot to said story I think. Cersei's also even though well... I don't think I'll ever like her or excuse her. But I do enjoyed her POV. In a twisty way, maybe =)

I can't wait to have Tyrion back though. He is so smart, so tragic somehow and such a powerful and incredible character.

As for Tolkien, I'm impressed with this whole word he created, he imagined an entire world and it's breath taking. But, to be honnest, I think I got sick of the mannnnny authors who used all these things he created, getting me so fed up with elves. Tolkien's elves were interesting and betwitching... Nowadays though when I read "elf" I want to puke. It's been overused, not in a poetic way, and tiring. A bit like vampires, I adored vampires because of Anne Rice's Lestat and Louis (I actually read this by luck when I was very young) and now vampires are... "Twilight"?... Sorry, it makes me a bit sick somehow =) I feel like Twilight (and my apologizes to the fans) fouled that image of vampires I had =)

I will have to try Dark Tower, now you make me curious!

Sorry for the long ramble, hugs to you girl <3
the female ghost of tom joad: dark tower >> rolandjanie_tangerine on July 7th, 2011 06:52 pm (UTC)
Rambing is awesome, no worries! ;)

My problem with those two is that I love Jaime to pieces (he's totally in my top five characters) but I've been finding Cersei the flattest main character since she was introduced and I can't find myself to care about her, not even in the appreciating-people-you-don't-agree-with category. :/ Heck, I like Varys more, it says all. XD I just hope her POVs make me at least appreciate her some.

TYRION! <33 he's totally my favorite Lannister. I love him so much. And I can't wait to see where he ended! Though I guess I'll have to buy the fifth and I won't be able to wait for the paperback.. XD

Yeah that's the same for me too. I like my elves/dwarfs/etc. when it's Lord of the Rings and Tolkien stuff in general, but everything else I read featuring the same things just seems like recycled Tolkien to me so I mostly fall asleep with most fantasy books. XD and oh dear Twilight *throws up* I was never that fond of vampires in literature though I do like them in movies, but Twilight i just an outrage to decent writing in general regardless of the subject. ;)

Lol basically the Dark Tower is Lord of the Rings meets spaghetti western with people going from the fantasy world to New York (most times), meets apoalyptic fiction, and then it also meets Romeo and Juliet among other things. XDD and while I sorta hated how it ended (but it's subjective - I know people who loved it and it's very subjective) it stays my favorite thing ever. It also includes my favorite fictional character ever (who is in a ship which is basically Dean/Castiel with guns and no wings), but that's a total secondary thing. ;) and oh dear I think I rambled at you too now. XD
Annwyn: Grenouilleannwyn on July 8th, 2011 06:40 pm (UTC)
Let's ramble then! =)

Jamie is love. I adored his POV when it was first introduced, and it was a smart move because Jamie was a jerk at first, even putting aside what he did to Bran, the few ironic comments he made, Jamie didn't seem like a nice or interesting person. At all. But getting into his story and his POV, I love Jamie too. My love still goes to Tyrion, but Jamie is close to "best Lannister" because he is changing, we see him change and I can't wait to see what he'll do in the end. I love Jamie.

As for Cersei... well... it's Cersei, but I enjoyed having her "twisted" POV too. She's obsessed and having a window in her mind, I loved that also. She's a bit like.. the spice in my meal :p

Tyrion... Well he's Tyrion, nuf said =)

And I so recommand you, again "She who rides tempest", OMG I adore that book so much, it's beautifully written, it's about dreams and fighting for them, the book is as poetic as the title. Though now I'm very curious about The Dark Tower, it'll be my first read during vacation (sadly I read mostly during my vacation because I'm the kind that cannot leave a book I like, at all, while I read it and it is not going well with my social life =))

And about Twilight, I think it killed me with the vampire sparkling into broad light... I mean "Lestat the vampire" was such a masterpiece, I cannot allow Twilight. I don't know if you read "Lestat", sadly nowdays vampires are "fashionable" but "Lestat" is a great, great book.

Anyway, sorry, and as always all my love to you because yeah I adore you. And I do not say this to flatter you, I just happen to really love everything you write, YOUR FAULT, and since you put so much time into this, I have to say it =)
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