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19 July 2011 @ 10:55 pm
meme + dark tower stuff + a feast for crows + BON JOVI OMG + whatever else  
1. Bon Jovi was glorious. Like, GLORIOUS. (Two words: DRY COUNTY. I still don't compute that.) Post with pics/concert review shall follow shortly, but atm I feel way too crappy for anything that long. Or, I think it's a combination of not-really-sleeping for twelve hours in a train cabin with a seventeen degrees AC and spending another four hours on another train with the same kind of AC while the temperature outside was over thirty and of getting burned while walking around, but since I've been back I've been feeling like crap. And I get random headaches. I'm pretty sure it was the AC, but anyway, I've been writing this whole thing in breaks so I can't go sorting pics and stuff right now. STILL IT WAS SO WORTH IT OMG BON JOVI.

2. Apparently the Dark Tower adaptation isn't happening for now. Or at least, apparently not with the people attached to the project at the moment. And er, I'm totally not sorry about it because there wasn't anything about it which was getting me even remotely excited, from Javier Bardem to the format itself. let's not talk about the Eddie rumors shall we. I'll be here hoping that HBO sees how well Game of Thrones did and picks it up. Or that someone else with better ideas picks it up because either you do it well or I don't need it to happen.

3. Meme day three. Let's see how much slower I can manage to be with this.

1. Disappointing other people. I'm rarely disappointed in myself because I don't set myself very high standards and I tend not to brood over things, but I just feel miserable when I realized that I somehow disappointed someone else. Especially when I don't realize that it's happened until after it happens.

2. Losing sight and/or hearing. I don't even know which one would be worse - probably sight, but I wouldn't bet on that half of the time. Either way, the prospect terrifies me.

3. Human bones. Maybe it'd be better to say that they squick me to death rather than say that I fear them (that's be ridiculous) but if I look at real skulls/bones/hands/mummies/whatever either I want to throw up or I start hyperventilating. They have to be real and in front of me though.

4. Same as point 3, bugs and worms. I have more or less the same reaction whenever I look at any of those. :/

5. Having things stolen from me. It happened to me twice - the first it was some suitcases in which I incidentally had important stuff that it took years to replace, and the second it was a wallet in which I had all my identification papers and replacing everything was the kind of pain I'd really like not to experience again anytime soon.

6. Bad drivers. I hate driving, but I try to do it carefully when I do it.

7. Job prospects. I mean, it's not a -fear- per se, but what I'm studying isn't exactly the best subject if you want quick employment and while I do love my parents, I'd like to get my own place at some stupid point, and possibly while doing something I like.

8. Fanatics of every kind. (Religious mostly, but not only those ones.) They make me feel mostly scared for human race, but they're the last kind of person I'd want to deal with.

4. So, while in Udine and after I realized I had seen everything I had to except for museums that were closed, I found myself a park bench and finished A Feast for Crows while waiting for lasamy to get into town. Clearly I managed to burn an arm and half of my neck because it was quite sunny and I should know better, but anyway, I'm done with that one.

- Okay, let's get the stuff I didn't like out first: mostly, the format. WHAT THE HELL is that with minor characters' POVs being referred by titles and not by names, and different titles at that point? (IE Arianne, who had like two POVs and in both of them she had a different title.) I find that confusing as fuck and it didn't exactly help me keeping stuff straight. And apparently it's not going to be a one-time occasion. Siiigh. GRRM WHY.

- Anyway. I was lucky because I liked most of said POV characters even if Jon/Dany/Tyrion were sorely missed. But heck, I got Brienne, Sam, Jaime, Asha and Sansa, so at least it's good that I split my affections.

- Jeez, poor Starks. Nothing goes well for them, does it? (Also, WHAT THE HECK is that about Arya being blind? WHAT.) I still wait for Sansa's downward spiral to stop at some point, because really, sharing a bed with Robert Arryn is nothing that she has ever deserved, poor girl. *cough* Also I don't like that she's basically being a pawn for Littlefinger. :/ and er, well. The whole Littlefinger/Sansa thing = squicky. Then again she still thinks Sandor kissed her. Oh, ship. Anyway, I just hope there's some of her in Dance with Dragons. *crosses fingers* and I'll bet good money that the engagement doesn't end up like Littlefinger hoped.

- The Dorne part was interesting, if only because they're apparently the only house where WOMEN CAN RULE. OH MY. I should root for them forever just for that. Also I appreciate that Oberyn didn't apparently teach his daughters to sew. Poor Myrcella, though. Is everyone in this book getting facial scars at some point?

- Cersei: seriously? I mean, poetic justice and all that she'd get imprisoned because of religious crazies when she unleashed them in the first place, but... seriously, Cersei? I'll admit I found her POVs less boring than I had feared, but I still can't get over how self-centered and dull she is except when it comes to her children, and even with them... say what you want, but making your eight year old kid whip someone so that he doesn't question you and say that you did it for his own good will make me raise my eyebrows a bunch of times. Also it's strangely appealing how much she doesn't realize how bad Joffrey was. Whenever she made comparisons between Joffrey and Tommen the first was always the one coming out good out of it. And it was seriously disturbing how she thought that Joff being a psycho was him being ''strong'' and that she was seriously convinced that she had treated Sansa right. I mean, all children are beautiful in their mother's eyes and so on, but.. woah. I guess that if I had a liking for that kind of character I'd be all over Cersei, but.. apart from the obligatory sympathy for the fact that she was married to Robert, I just can't go there.

- On the contrary: Jaime, ilu. I'm really enjoying what they're doing with him. I like that he's still a charming bastard but that he wants to regain a shred of honor and that at least losing that hand did teach him something. (Also his conversation with Ilyn Payne were way amusing.) Also I appreciated that he managed not to technically raise arms against Tullys and that he was as disgusted with Jeyne Westerling's mom as I was. (UGH STILL NOT OVER THE RED WEDDING HERE.) Also, just let me say it: the scene where he punched Brienne's former suitor when he ill-talked about her in the bear pit was the most satisfying thing EVER. I just hope Brienne learns of that at some point. Really - after reading from her POV about how that idiot treated her, it was the best thing ever. Jaime, you earned points with me. Also, the Blackfish is awesome. I hope he's not disappearing until book six.

- Greyjoys: OH ASHA HOW SO AWESOME. Aeron is too much of a religious nut for my tastes. Victarion/Euron I don't really care for. Asha can rule the world, as long as I'm concerned.

- Sam: OH SAM. I really love that he's finally letting go of his baggage. Sam/Gilly doesn't exactly convince me but heck, he got laid! Better late than never. Also it's interesting what they said about Jon changing after becoming Lord Commander, but I was ready for that. That thing with Gilly's baby was cruel enough but it did have its sense, logic-wise. Still. :( Also I was sure Aemon was done as soon as they left. That bit was so sad. :((( anyway, I like the whole thing with Jon wanting Sam to became the Wall's maester. If only it ended like that. Also re Oldtown: idek what's up with the faceless man, but Alleras being Sarella = way too easy. Also it's highly amusing how Sam is meeting every other Stark left alive. Also i like how GRRM IS tying all the loose threads, as slow as he's doing that.

- Also: I don't buy that Davos is dead one second. Last time someone's head ended up on a spike off-screen, it was with Bran and Rickon. Everyone knows how that one went. When I actually see it happening, I'll be weeping bitter tears, but until then? Not buying it.

- Favorite part of the book and probably unpopular opinion: BRIENNE. FOREVER. I loved that while her bits seemed way random you ended up meeting a bunch of people (Sandor included - I can buy that the hound is dead exactly the way I buy that Sansa-as-Sansa is dead. Huge monk who likes dogs, digs graves and walks with a limp? Look at me thinking that the Hound might be dead, but that SANDOR isn't. And Gendry! And everyone else that turned up), and to be honest I just love her, okay? I love how she's basically fucking with every trope (she's a woman and she acts like a woman, but she can't because she's supposed to be a knight, but men don't take her seriously because she isn't a -man-, and maybe they would if she was prettier but she's also ugly, and as she said when speaking about her father, she can't be neither a daughter or a son to him, aw), I love that she's good at what she does but not at the expense of her feelings (even if she'd be better off ignoring them). I love that even if she's supposed to behave like a man she doesn't hide that she isn't one - and this when she doesn't even have physical appearance to help her in life. I mean, take her and Asha - Asha wouldn't have a problem finding a husband/suitor if she wished, she -can- (try to) be whatever she chooses to, Brienne not so much.

And THE ENDING. SOMEONE TELL ME SHE'LL PRETEND TO ACCEPT BUT THEN WON'T. Can't un!Cat just hang Freys here and there? When they told Brienne to kill Jaime was pretty much heartbreaking. Let's not dwell on the fact that she obviously likes him, whether she wants or not (starting from fantasizing about him in the baths and him letting her cry it out on his shoulder, or her screaming for him while feverish), but if you think about it, just as she's the only one who believes he has a shred of honor left, he's the only one except for Cat who has taken her seriously until now. You know he has - he gave her the sword and whenever he thought about her it wasn't in mocking terms. Asking her to kill him was like - OH MY HEART. Clearly she won't refuse if it means saving the other two, but. BRIENNE. ;___; also thanks GRRM for the OTHER one you had to give a facial scar to? LIKE SHE NEEDED IT. (Really - Myrcella at least has a name and a good title and she's still a king's daughter.) Un!Cat, you don't gain my sympathies for this. I highly doubt that this situation is going to be resolved in the fifth but I can only hope they find Sansa and it doesn't have to come to that? I'd weep very bitter tears.

^ That was a novel. Right, there's a reason I really liked this book. *cough*

- In conclusion: not my favorite of the entire series but not bad whatsoever. And at least no one I was OVERLY attached to died (if we don't buy Davos and if we don't think that Brienne died at the end, but I wouldn't say that). Only other quibble: WHERE ARE OSHA AND RICKON. It's a question of principle.

I have A Dance with Dragons, by the way. Will start it asap.

5. Okay, I've been doing this entry in chunks for half of this afternoon/evening so I guess I'll cut this here and hope that tomorrow I feel like staring at a screen for more than twenty minutes. Also because I need to inflict some Bon Jovi related gushing. *is still ecstatic*
feeling: blahblah
on rotation: bon jovi - someday I'll be saturday night
cassiopeia7: Castiel: bring it!cassiopeia7 on July 19th, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC)
Bon Jovi was glorious. Like, GLORIOUS.

When is he NOT? ;) Feel better soon! (And check your e-mail -- you have goodies.)
the female ghost of tom joad: BJ rules and it's a factjanie_tangerine on July 20th, 2011 10:26 am (UTC)
Good question. ;) and eeeh, I shall go check now! :DDD
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the female ghost of tom joad: asoif >> davosjanie_tangerine on July 20th, 2011 10:28 am (UTC)


Zelda: GoT - The Houndzelda_zee on July 20th, 2011 03:36 am (UTC)
AFFC is my least favorite book. I didn't like the weird/stupid titles, I didn't like having one-shot POVs about characters I don't care about. I get it, he's building an entire world, not just focused on the characters that everyone knows and loves (or, as the case may be, hates). I constantly have to remind myself of the kind of writer GRRM is and that my priorities are not the same as his priorities.

Having him drop half the characters for the space of the book just didn't work for me. And now we'll have to wait years to find out about what happens next to all the AFFC characters - ARGH! I want to gnash my teeth when I think about not knowing Arya's or Brienne's fate for YEARS.

I think people in the fandom adore Brienne, actually. Or so I've heard. I like her okay, but I just don't find her all that interesting.

Cersei I can't stand, but worse than that, she bores me. I skimmed her chapters a lot.

Jaime grew on me in this book. I began to think maybe he'd become interesting. Before he was just too slick. I keep hoping he's developing, because there's a lot of potential there. If he's really cut the cord with Cersei, there may yet be hope for him.

You think the monk is the Hound?! Wow, I never even considered that! Interesting... I like it!

I liked the Dorne parts because I find that society & culture interesting and because Oberyn owns my heart & he is from there. Dorne women kick ass! Martells rule!

I have ADWD too, but am saving it for the plane to New Orleans even though it's ridiculous to take a 5 lb. book on a trip. I really should get a Kindle.
the female ghost of tom joad: asoif >> martellsjanie_tangerine on July 20th, 2011 07:50 am (UTC)
I think it'd have been my least favorite too if it wasn't for the fact that I liked all the main characters having a POV except for Cersei. But yes, the one-shot POVs and the titles without names etc. were too confusing for me. :/

I don't know how much of that will be, but I read the foreword of ADWD and he said that after some point (middle? 3/4? Can't remember) he started bringing back POVs from the other book so he -has- gone forward some with the story other than catching up with the people who weren't in AFFC. I don't know how much of that book is not-catching-up, but we can hope that at least we know what happened to Arya and Brienne? Because those weren't cliffhangers, they were MEAN cliffhangers.

Fandom-wise I think she's liked well enough but not at crazy levels (generally). The point is that she kind of speaks to me at a personal level because if you don't count the whole using a sword/being a knight thing I had some similar experiences and she's the only character that has appeared until now whom I pretty much could get 100%, so I guess that's why her parts made that book for me.

I know? I didn't skim when Jaime was there and where it seemed like there were plot developments, but boring. Boring. Boring. And too crazy. After four books I doubt I'll ever manage to like her someway.

I cheered when he burned that note, I won't lie. I liked him before because I might have a thing with people with the snarky attitude even if they do horrible things, but right now I'm really loving him. If he keeps on this way I shall be extremely pleased.

I do think that! :D Mostly, after Bran and Rickon, I don't buy any offscreen/offpage death until I actually see it. And tall, lame, likes dogs... mmh. I'll stick with it. ;)

Dorne was awesome! :D I like their women. And I liked Oberyn so much! And I like his attitude with his daughters. If only everyone else in those books was like him.

I know. I went around three days with the paperback for ASOS in my purse and while it wasn't that heavy, it was as big as a hardback. And AFFC, while smaller, was pretty heavy too. Those books are insanely heavy. But I guess they do work well for plane rides. :)

Edited at 2011-07-20 07:57 am (UTC)
sad side of normal: Lost: cheers!fosfomifira on July 20th, 2011 06:14 am (UTC)
The other day I dreamt I went to Italy and met you. For some mysterious reason Rome looked like a crossover between Paris and London and thus very un-Rome-like, but it was a fun dream to have nonetheless.

Aww, I love bones. My physical anthropology course remains one of my favourite experiences from my archaeology degree. We spent an entire year with human bones, then a whole semester with non-human animals. It was very hands-on, which is a lot more than I can say about law school.

Can't wait to hear what you think of ADWD. I just finished it and I want to talk about it.
the female ghost of tom joad: asoif >> davosjanie_tangerine on July 20th, 2011 08:01 am (UTC)
Uhm, I'd like to visit a Paris/London crossover though. ;) (and you're welcome to visit whenever. <3)

Lol, I just can't take them. There's a reason I never studied paleontology. I don't know, I can't stand the sight. :/

It's there waiting for me! :D I shall discuss it soon. Or as soon as I'm done with it. :)
A.vella_amor_dm on July 20th, 2011 09:03 am (UTC)
the female ghost of tom joad: asoif >> ending!janie_tangerine on July 20th, 2011 10:24 am (UTC)
bold_seer: tv: thrones + arya (valar morghulis)bold_seer on July 20th, 2011 11:37 am (UTC)
Job prospects.

IKR? Which is why I'm going to do another degree, in another field. (No, I don't have a first degree. Yet.) And bones, I agree. They're just freaky.

*cough* Can you guess whose POV was the first thing I checked in Dance? (Cast that man already!)

Look at me thinking that the Hound might be dead, but that SANDOR isn't.

Yes. As with Sansa's kiss/non-kiss, Martin's choice of words is revealing: "He is at rest."

Otherwise - Cersei (still) and Aeron Greyjoy I don't necessarily like, but do find interesting. Dorne is so cool! I love the Blackfish. (Also Mance Rayder, who doesn't really appear in this one?) UnCat is frightening. :(
the female ghost of tom joad: asoif >> davosjanie_tangerine on July 20th, 2011 11:45 am (UTC)
Job prospects, indeed. :/// I'm too far gone to even think about switching degree without losing another five years, but I'll just go and cross my fingers. And bones = major squick. I just can't stand them. :(

HE WAS CAST! :D they got Liam Cunningham. Who's totally awesome imo. I can't wait to see it! :D

I know? He never said he was strictly *dead*. Also I don't buy offpage deaths anymore - not after that thing in Clash of Kings.

I think that my problem with Aeron is that I have gut-like dislike reactions towards religious nuts - and he's the kind of person which in RL I'd want to punch hard enough. I can't even begin to feel any kind of sympathy. :/ Re Cersei... it's not that I mind that she's not a good person - then I'd hate everyone but Davos and Brienne - but when she isn't creeping me out with her fond memories of her firstborn she makes me want to go to sleep. It was sort of fun to see even from her POV how much she was fucking up, but heck, I enjoyed her dad better even if he was a far worse person. :/

Dorne is indeed awesome! :D and the Blackfish is my favorite Tully ever. He needs to rule the world or something. (I loved Mance too! I hope he doesn't get burned alive.) Un!Cat.. yeah. also DON'T YOU DARE BREAK MY SHIP :((( I LIKED YOU BEFORE YOU GOT YOUR THROAT SLIT AND WHEN YOU HANGED FREYS, DON'T MAKE ME DISLIKE YOU :((
bold_seer: tv: downton + interior (breakfast)bold_seer on July 20th, 2011 12:09 pm (UTC)
Yeah, well, I'm just doing a new degree in addition to the BA I'm getting - soon. Which took three years. So, it's another five years of that for me until I'll get my master's. But I'll probably find work with it. And not end up as a - *shudder* - teacher. Nevertheless, best of luck with your continued studies! I'm mostly doing this because I'd regret it if I didn't (childhood dream). :)

Thanks for the news! I've been busy procrastinating on my next exam... I was sort of rooting for that one guy whose audition tape was leaked - but I didn't really watch it, so I can't even say whether he was good. The name doesn't ring a bell, but I trust LC is a competent actor. I can't wait to see it either! :D

Ha, ha, I'm like religion, interesting *grabby hands*. He's a bit(?) unhinged, but not necessarily unsympathetic. For a fictional character. Anyway, I may be the only person who's like Oh, he's a POV in book six? That's cool! XD
the female ghost of tom joad: asoif >> ending!janie_tangerine on July 20th, 2011 12:17 pm (UTC)
Hey, I'm doing what I'm doing mostly because I like it so go you for doing what you like! :D

I think I've seen him in a bunch of Irish movies but I especially loved him in that Ken Loach movie that won at Cannes ages ago - I think it was The Wind That Shakes the Barley? He was great in that. And he looks right for the part so I totally can't wait. :D

I don't necessarily mind religion in that book or generally - actually I was pretty interested in the Faith people, and to be honest I was gleeing when the new archi-septon or whatever the name was told Cersei that they sold the crown to give money to the poor. XD And I enjoyed the Quiet Isle a lot. I just can't take fanatics. And he lost all my sympathies when he forced that poor kid to drown, lol. Now if Theon somehow comes back and Aeron slaps him around maybe I'll re-evaluate. ;) ;) ;) I get why he can be sympathetic but I find it really hard to find any kind of sympathy for that kind of character. (See Melisandre. ;) )
bold_seer: tv: thrones + catelyn (tully)bold_seer on July 20th, 2011 12:30 pm (UTC)
The Wind That Shakes the Barley?

Damn, that film! I was abroad a little after it had premiered and wanted to watch it, but my parents didn't have the time/energy, and I, too, was too lazy to go look for a cinema in a foreign city. Because obviously a Cannes winner would be released in my country, eventually. Only, no such luck. Then, a week ago or sth, I noticed it would be on TV the very same day. And obviously totally forgot to watch. One day I will watch it. (Not super into watching films on my computer.)

/ And this isn't very interesting, but apparently I'm still procrastinating. :)
the female ghost of tom joad: asoif >> jaime/briennejanie_tangerine on July 20th, 2011 01:23 pm (UTC)
That movie is awesome! :DD I should try to catch it not dubbed but I managed to see it at the cinema and ohmy it was so good. I also cried buckets, but let's not dwell on that.
twisting_vine_x: Brothers - Walking v.2twisting_vine_x on July 20th, 2011 11:28 pm (UTC)
Yeah, ngl, I'm kinda creeping your journal right now. Memes are fun. :D

Bad drivers. I hate driving, but I try to do it carefully when I do it.


Like - I love driving. Love it with my heart and soul. There is nothing else I'd rather be doing. And I always said when I was little that when I grew up, I would never drive unless I could actually be good at it - and I am. So when people tailgate and cut into my own stopping time, or when they sit in my blind spot, or when they cut in front of me at 120 km/h without using a lane-changing signal, or when they drive on icy pavement like it's the middle of the summer - it makes me want to tear my damn hair out. Or theirs.


Bon Jovi was glorious. Like, GLORIOUS

Yay. :)
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural general s1janie_tangerine on July 21st, 2011 07:48 am (UTC)
Creep as much as you want! ;)


See, I had a totally crappy driving teacher when I signed up for learning, and he was convinced that women couldn't drive and whatever, so it's not like he ever taught me to enjoy it. For me driving is the most stressful thing ever because I get paranoid, I always think that someone is going to crash into me or that I'll crash into someone and I'm always like 'OMG YES *RELIEVED*' whenever I go from point A to point B. The point is also that in this stupid country most people break every possible rule while I'm the kind of person who never breaks speed limit and keeps the regular distance between me and the other car, so being surrounded by people who think that driving in a city is the same thing as F1 doesn't make me any happier. :/ I wish I liked driving. But I just can't relax if I'm doing it. But yeah, bad drivers = please get your license removed. All of them.

when they cut in front of me at 120 km/h



Edited at 2011-07-21 07:48 am (UTC)
valhalla37valhalla37 on July 27th, 2011 01:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not too broken up about the Dark Tower adaptation news, either -- was really nervous about where they were headed with that. Hopefully, though, someone -- wink wink, nudge nudge, HBO -- will pick up the concept soon. Aaaand apparently there's a new book that will be coming out at some point? It's set in between a few of the other ones, apparently -- have you heard about it?

And shutting my eyes through the Game of Thrones stuff ... I'm midway through the first book and LOVING it. ;D
the female ghost of tom joad: dark tower >> rolandjanie_tangerine on August 4th, 2011 12:00 pm (UTC)
Sorry for answering so late - blame LJ and its unwillingness to let me post comments. :/

Anyway, so much word. I didn't LIKE a thing about that to be honest so I'll just be here waiting for HBO to realize that hey, DT is OVER, so maybe it's not as tricky as ASOIAF... XDDD ;)

and yeah, I heard! :D It's out next April I think? I CAN'T WAIT :DDD since it's like set between four and five so MORE EDDIE FOR ME. ;)