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10 September 2011 @ 12:00 am
womenlovefest day 1, meta, TVD: why you shouldn't hate Bonnie because she isn't a Damon fangirl  

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Or: hi and welcome to day one of my Bonnie week of appreciation for womenlovefest. Now, I usually don’t tend to focus on one aspect of a character when I do meta, but there’s one thing that I’ve always wanted to rant about regarding Bonnie (or better, why she isn't so well-liked), so I’ll go with it to start with. Hopefully it won’t get indecently long.

Now: Bonnie Bennett happens to be my favorite female character from The Vampire Diaries. She also has the misfortune of getting an amount of hate that is completely disproportional to her actions.

Spoilers for both seasons including the S2 finale.

I don’t exactly do VD fandom except for Damon/Alaric stuff, and I do everything to keep out of bashing situations, but with this fandom wherever I go I stumble into Bonnie hate. In the beginning it wasn’t as bad though and actually Bonnie became my favorite girl in there because she was the only one who had a strong enough storyline on her own, that wasn’t vampire-related and that wasn’t meddled with a love interest. Actually: she only got a love interest after one season and a half, and even better, her character isn’t defined by said love story (which isn’t even following standards since the guy is younger than she is. I appreciate it).

Which brings us to the point in question: the main reason Bonnie gets bashed at in my experience is that she doesn’t like Damon. The amount of time I’ve read that she’s a bitch after 2x02, where she had tried to kill him when realizing that Caroline had become a vampire was… well, it was a fairly good amount, and I’m not talking about all the rest. And here I’d just like to state my feelings about the following: not liking Damon/hating Damon isn’t a good reason to say that Bonnie is a bitch. Or worse. She might not be likeable, but wishing she’d die because she hates Damon is utterly unfair.

So, Bonnie doesn’t like Damon. He doesn’t particularly charm her. At some point she’s pissed enough that she’s this close to killing him, and she only trusts him grudgingly after, and only if she’s convinced of what she’s doing.

Flash news: she’s right.

Premise: Damon is my favorite character, so I’m not hating on him or anything. I started watching this show because of Damon. I usually love fictional charming bastards with a sense of humor and Damon is exactly right up my alley. He’s also a delight to look at, not to mention that I enjoy his struggling with his humanity, whenever he wants to struggle with it or not.

But dammit, Damon is a vampire. And he isn’t like his brother pre-Klaus. He doesn’t get in the woods to eat a bunny or two and he didn’t rob blood banks (or well, he didn’t in the beginning). He kills people and he doesn’t have particular moral problems over doing it. (Or over killing vampires that aren’t horrible persons – see Lexi.) He manipulates other people to his advantage without a quibble and he hasn’t gotten over that (see Andie in S2). He probably was a good person and he might be on his way to become a half-decent one, but he isn’t particularly nice. And I’m not sure that I’d like to have dinner with him in real life. Us viewers, we love him because he’s charming and witty and not so comfortable in his skin as he looks like and because we know what’s going on in his head. And because he’s hot as hell.

But, it doesn’t change that you probably wouldn’t want to meet him in the highway when he’s pissed or in early S1. We like to like the bad guy, but if you’re a character in the show and you trust him without battling an eyelid, you’re an idiot. Even more if you’re a psychic. If Bonnie sensed something wrong with Stefan in the beginning, then she’d have had enough reasons not to trust Damon automatically just by seeing his face. (Which was exactly what happened if I don’t remember wrong.) Distrusting him would be my gut reaction, too; if Bonnie didn’t trust him in the beginning, it wasn’t a small fault in an otherwise good character. It was a proof that she used her brains.

So, let’s go and have a look at what happened to Bonnie since Damon and Stefan showed up in Mystic Falls (also Stefan didn’t go killing people and manipulating others in the beginning, other than being Elena’s boyfriend, so you’d automatically trust a bit more someone for whom your best friend guarantees):

- He compels Caroline, which is a close friend of hers, and wouldn’t have had a problem killing her he had thought it necessary;
- He went messing with Elena and Stefan when it was the first time after her parents’ death in which Elena (who’s Bonnie’s best friend) was actually happy;
- He was indirectly the reason of her grandmother’s death when she died because of the effort she had put in opening/sealing the tomb where Katherine was in theory buried, and Bonnie’s grandmother was the only relative with whom she was close (she said at some point later that her mother had left home for good and her dad was freaked out by her powers and avoided her more than else);

Other than that, vampires in Mystic Falls for us have been a good thing because otherwise there wouldn’t be action anywhere, but for people living in Mystic Falls, it probably was a pretty crappy deal since it was when shit started hitting the fan. And Damon and Stefan weren’t even the worst of it.

Now, if she doesn’t trust vampires generally and Damon most of all, considering that he’s proven enough that he’s not exactly what you’d call a deeply moral person, I think she has all the rights to hate his guts. And she has all the rights to be wary of his face.

Then there was the huge hate amount after said episode 2x02 that I was talking about before, and there was a lot of bashing about her attitude with Caroline. Now, trying to burn Damon when it was pretty much the only time when it wasn’t his fault wasn’t a brilliant idea, and Bonnie isn’t the most far sighted character in that bunch. And I thought she was doing a very stupid thing. But, she was freaking out. She just learned that her other best friend turned into a vampire and that she was turned by someone who wouldn’t be in town if it wasn’t for Damon and Stefan. And as stated, she hates vampires generally, and has a good idea of how it changes you if you let it. Not going into her underestimating Caroline’s force of will/capacity of adapting to vampire life, when she lit Damon on fire or tried to she was freaking the hell out and after Elena stopped her if I remember right she started crying. She wasn’t in her right mind and she was acting out of grief. Was that stupid? Sure. Did Damon deserve that specifically? Nope. But you don’t think rationally when you’re in the mental state Bonnie was.

About Caroline: she didn’t trust her, but she had no idea that Caroline still was the Caroline she knew. And as stated, Bonnie hasn’t had one experience in her life (except for maybe Stefan, and when she touched him at the beginning she didn’t feel anything good either – not to mention that Stefan had his moment of going insane at the end of S1 when she was even less well-disposed towards vampires than usual) suggesting that vampires can be trusted. Saying that she’s a bitch because she doesn’t trust Caroline at once doesn’t work for me in this case either, and that said, she buried the hatchet two episodes later as soon as she decided that she could trust her again. It doesn’t seem that far-fetched to me – if anything it’s realistic. She waited to see if her friend was the same person instead of going berserk and trying to eat her. Seems reasonable to me.

With this I’d like to state that I don’t necessarily agree with Bonnie’s way of thinking all the time. At times she gets too mistrustful and I didn’t approve when she didn’t do what she was asked in the S1 finale and allowed that device of John’s to wreak havoc because she was more mistrustful of vampires in general than trustful of her best friend. And I didn’t exactly cheer when she tried to burn Damon as above.

But what I’d like to point out is that when she was wrong, she did realize it eventually. After not doing that spell on the device, she helped Elena/Damon/Stefan in the finale. She apologized when she knew she had fucked up. She still doesn’t like Damon, but by the end of S2 she was mature enough to trust him and put their differences aside because she wanted to save their friends. And oh, wait, she was also willing to die for them. In S2 she told Jeremy that she wanted to use her powers to do good and that she wasn’t sure about their plan to kill Katherine, and she still went because not doing it would have meant risking her friends’ lives. She would have used up enough energy to kill herself along with Klaus if it came to that. And it’s not as if she liked any of it – it’s clear that she loves Elena, Caroline & co. enough to die for them. She never looked very happy of being the odd one out on the trusting vampires side or to have to disagree with them. She doesn’t enjoy not trusting Damon or being at odds with Elena because of that when she has her good reasons to. And of anything she isn’t heartless. She might be too distrusting, sure, but if I was in Mystic Falls and not necessarily in her place I’d have developed some kind of bad paranoia by now.

In conclusion, someone who’s willing to die for the people she cares for when she isn’t even twenty doesn’t deserve to be called bitch because she isn’t a Damon fangirl. At times she’s too hard, she isn’t the most farsighted person in Mystic Falls and she won’t let grudges go easily, but she’s a human being, and she isn’t someone who knows the entire backstory the way viewers do. And if she reminds us once in a while that Damon isn’t only charm but that he’s also a psychotic bastard when he wants to, thinking that it makes her a bad character or a useless one just because of that is not fair, since Bonnie isn’t there just to be our morality compass. (Even worse, Damon’s.) She has a story of her own that is pretty freaking good and has been since she was introduced, she has had some great character development (in which I might go in depth in the next meta post) and she has also given enough proof that she can learn from her mistakes. The last thing she deserves is hatred mostly because of what from her POV is a perfectly legitimate position.

And I really hope that next season this argument dies, because if she deserves to be disliked, it’s for other reasons. And not being a Damon fangirl shouldn’t be something that eclipses how awesome she is.

In the next meta episode: something less hate-focused and more awesome focused.
 
 
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upupa_epops: [tvd] Elena Caroline hugupupa_epops on September 9th, 2011 11:18 pm (UTC)
I was really looking forward to reading your post, because, to be honest, I'm not a Bonnie fan myself and I was so curious how do other people see her.

My attitude towards Bonnie is complicated. I certainly have a huge respect for her, because she is trying so hard to do the right thing, and, even if she does something wrong, she usually does so in good faith. I don't have a problem with her behaviour around Damon, because God knows she had every good reason. I do have a problem with Bonnie being mean to freshly turned Caroline (remember the things she said when she was making a daylight ring for her?). I think that from mid-season one to mid-season two Bonnie is so freaked out she doesn't know how to behave; the world around her changes too rapidly and she is overwhelmed by all the horror that appeard in her life. So even though Bonnie sometimes makes me angry, I try not to hold it against her (I don't always succeed, because, well, I'm not perfect, but I try).

I hope you don't mind me describing my (not entirely fangirlish) attitute towards Bonnie; I needed to do that in order to make the second part of my comment understandable.

I think you're right that most of the Bonnie-oriented hate is caused by her not being in Team Damon (neither is Jenna, by the way - do you know how does the fandom react to that? I'm a compulsive Jenna fan and before reading your post I couldn't even think of a reason for the people to dislike her, but since you have a point with the whole "Damon and Bonnie thing", perhaps it also works for Jenna?). Well, good for Bonnie. Damon, while being an extremly attractive fictional character, is not attractive as a person (ok, physically he is, but you know what I mean). I love Damon, but had I lived in Mystic Falls, I hope I'd have had sense enough to behave just like Bonnie.

Thank you for posting this meta! It made me look at Bonnie from a slightly different angle :D.
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 9th, 2011 11:44 pm (UTC)
First: I totally don't mind anything! ;) Bonnie can be hard to like and I wasn't happy with how she treated post-turning Caroline either. I do get why she did it (what you think about post-her-gran's-death to mid-S2 Bonnie is exactly the same that I think - she was too overwhelmed, freaking out and projecting everything into Damon/vampires in general because as far as she knew they were the beginning of all the crap she went through and she didn't behave rationally half of the time), but I've heard people saying that her attitude towards Caroline was the definitive proof that she had to die after being so mean to Damon and at that point I was just like '.... geez look at her POV for a minute won't you' ;)

That said hmmm. I love Jenna insanely too and I haven't ended up in much Jenna bashing - but I'm mostly in the Damon/Alaric corner of fandom and all of my FL thought that Jenna was awesome even when they thought that Bonnie wasn't, so I might have missed out on that, but Jenna isn't on team Damon in a much more understated way. I wouldn't be surprised that she'd get Damon-related bashing though - which will never not make me baffled. Damon isn't a prince charming. He doesn't even want to be a prince charming. As a character I love him, but he's not anywhere near a good person or someone that you can trust without a problem, hot or not. You don't need to sugarcoat him to be on his team, or at least that's how I see it And I just can't get through people hating on Bonnie because she doesn't like him.
upupa_epops: [tvd] TVD Trójkątupupa_epops on September 10th, 2011 04:50 am (UTC)
Just one thing now, because I REALLY need to go back to sleep. I'm so glad to meet some people from the English-speaking fandom who don't idealize Damon! Polish TVD fandom is quite realistic about him, but it's also tiny, and when I wanted to go outside and discuss TVD with some people I haven't, you know, discussed it all over with, I didn't have the best of luck. English TVD fandom is huge and full of contrasts, and I'm so glad I met someone who says: "You don't need to sugarcoat him to be on his team". Just so you know :).

I shall proceed with Bonnie-related commenting as soon as I'm done with real life stuff, like sleeping and housework ;).
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn damon 2.0janie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 09:30 am (UTC)
Lol idk I see it like he wouldn't even want to be idealized. He knows he's not a good person and he never asked anyone to put him on a pedestal and think that he's the best thing since sliced bread (as much as he behaves like he thinks he is). If he met some girl in the road saying BITE ME OMG ILU he'd probably either tell her to get lost or send her to the nearest hospital. (Which would prove that he has very shaky morals, but.) And if he was a true prince charming he'd be a lot more boring. ;)

[lol I should probably follow your example and so the same after having totally overslept.. ;)]
jen2976: Lee Kara Cropjen2976 on September 10th, 2011 12:01 am (UTC)
Lovely job! *hugs*

We also can't forget that Damon tried killing Bonnie in History Repeating when she was possessed by her ancestor, and he would have succeeded if Stefan hadn't fed her his blood.
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 12:10 am (UTC)
Thanks! :D

Riiiight, I had forgotten that part because I haven't had a VD re-watch in a long while and I think I've seen that particular ep only once, but yeah. If he also tries to kill you... you're kind of even more justified. XD
as_a_seal on September 10th, 2011 12:09 am (UTC)
This is the user usually known as smokeandsong replying from a roleplay journal because I can't be bothered to log out of it.

I think this is a lovely post and puts into words most of what I feel about Bonnie. I think fandom in general tends to latch onto one or two characters and see the others in a sort of fog that's colored by their loyalty to them, and that loyalty tends to be strong and unmoving. It very sad in this case because with this being a vampire show, the one who isn't necessarily so keen on them is always going to get the brunt of fandom hate. Regardless, she has every right to be wary, even if fandom forgets.

I'm looking forward to more of your posts. Bonnie will probably come up in my postings as well, though I'm not sure when or how much. My main focus is going to be Lana Lang of Smallville, but there will be various other girls getting one or two posts of their own.
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn carolinejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 02:05 am (UTC)
No problem, I can't bother to log out of anything half of the time. ;)

Thank you! :D I'm really glad you liked reading it. And yeah, you're so totally right about fandom latching to a couple of people and ignoring the rest/not looking at their motivations closely. And yeah having to be the one person who doesn't like vampires doesn't make it any easier for her, but I'd just like to hear some argument about disliking her because she actually did some stupid things which I won't deny rather than 'she can die because she's mean to Damon'. Mmmh.

And yay, more Bonnie love! :D I have the post tracked so I'll be sure to check yours if you do any. :)
Ambassador Dummy Dummy Dumb Dums: VAMP. b. wake up.crickets on September 10th, 2011 01:17 am (UTC)
I gotta say I agree with so much you have said about Bonnie here. A+++++ I have been frustrated with the show and how Bonnie often shows up as a plot advancement, but she's also very strong-willed and she stands by her conviction so even if she isn't 100 utilized by the writers in the way she should be, I absolutely love her as a character regardless. And I have never ever understood all the hate toward her!
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 01:56 am (UTC)
The amount of hate she gets is insane. The problem is that the only reason I see for it 90% of the time isn't that they don't like her because of 95% of what she does, they hate her because she's mean to Damon. Which just makes me go ballistic, and I LIKE Damon. And yeah, they could use her better, nothing to say about that, but she's a great character and she doesn't deserve to be dissed because she doesn't like a guy that she has all reasons to hate. Team Bonnie! :D
tokenblkgirl: Vampire Diaries: Bonnie  Magictokenblkgirl on September 10th, 2011 02:37 am (UTC)
This post is lovely. I especially love how you point out that though Bonnie's made some rash, and at times wrong decisions, it rarely comes from a place of malice on her part. More so hurt, grief, and anger, but she always regrets hurting people and tries to do the right thing which is why I enjoy her so much.

someone who’s willing to die for the people she cares for when she isn’t even twenty doesn’t deserve to be called bitch because she isn’t a Damon fangirl.

I think this was my favorite point, because it's so easy to forget that she's just a teenager. I think this is why I enjoyed her story with Jeremy so much, not even because she finally got a love interest, but that he made her giggle and flirt a little. I hope we get more of that this season.

Wonderful Job!
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 09:25 am (UTC)
From the way some people word it, it seems as if she goes against everyone on principle and just for the sake of it. She never did. :/ I mean every time she royally fucked up it was meaning well, and when realizing she did she always tried to make amends for it. You're so right that she always tries to do the right thing - hardly something I'd blame her for.

I mean, girl's what, seventeen if she's the same age as Elena? Eighteen? Give her some damned leeway. ;) And so word regarding Jeremy. They're adorable. She's obviously happy with him. I totally will never object to them giggling and flirting. ;)

Thank you! :D
A.: carolinevella_amor_dm on September 10th, 2011 03:19 am (UTC)
YES TO EVERYTHING. like you i am an avid Damon fangirl, but i don't understand how that should equate to me hating Bonnie. i love how independent and objective she is. i like that she doesn't just go along with everything because other people want her support. she always weighs her decisions and even though she has all this witchy power, she doesn't abuse it because her priority is to protect innocent people.
yes she can be irrational sometimes, yes she freaks out and does some silly things.. but hey she's human, and like you said, a teenager at that.
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn carolinejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 09:20 am (UTC)
I KNOW. Everyone and their house walls knows that I'll fangirl Damon forever, but wishing someone dead because she doesn't like him is ridiculous.

i like that she doesn't just go along with everything because other people want her support. she always weighs her decisions and even though she has all this witchy power, she doesn't abuse it because her priority is to protect innocent people.

This. Subscribed in full. She has a brain and she isn't afraid to use it, hardly what I'd call a fault. And if you state your opinion when you're the only one having a different one still kudos from me. ;) And yeah. She's seventeen, ffs. She's way too mature already for being seventeen, allow her to fuck up. ;)
Anastasia: Bonnie Vampire Diariesnotoriousreign on September 10th, 2011 04:35 am (UTC)
Oh my God, I actually completely forgot about Bonnie burning Damon! Some stuff really slips my mind, I should've rewatched the season like my other friends were, oh wow. xD Anyways, now that I remember, my stance on her still doesn't change. I can never hate her and you brought up the perfect reasons why. I mean, when she messes up she feels remorse for it and tries to make amends. Her stance on vampires is completely legitimate, she's just being reasonable. And her love for her friends is so outstanding, I can't understand how people always seem to overlook that.

Anyways, awesome post. =D
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 09:10 am (UTC)
Thank you! :D

Hee, I'll never forget about it if only because after she tried to burn him I had to deal with 'HOW CAN YOU LIKE HER' for the next three weeks or so. ;) and I should re-watch S1 actually since as someone pointed out I had forgotten that Damon had sort of almost killed her at some point (blame her, idek). And I know? Geez, she can be judgmental but when she was wrong she always came around in the end, and she never did anything just for the sake of being the bad person. Or the one who spoils the fun. Or whatever. ;)

And her love for her friends is so outstanding, I can't understand how people always seem to overlook that.

Amen. ;)
just a girl: tvd. caroline.forbes » you're holding on_touched on September 10th, 2011 10:42 am (UTC)
I'd just like to say that when I refer to Bonnie as a selfish bitch (something I believe she definitely is on occasion) it isn't because she's not a Damon fan. In fact, I know a lot of people in the fandom who feels this strongly about Bonnie and they (like myself) have very valid reasons and they don't stem from the "we hate irrationally on Bonnie because we don't like the fact that she's not a card carrying Damon fangirl). I'm speaking for myself when I leave this comment, please know and understand that I didn't leave this comment to disperse negativity on one of your favorite character's. I like you and you're one of my favorite friends on my flist, you make a lot of sense, and I agree with a lot of what you have to say. I just felt like I needed to point this out, that sometimes people have very valid reasons for the way they feel about particular character's and I'd like not to be lumped in with these, because I have often referred to her as a selfish bitch, it always had to do with her actions. I didn't care for her in the books and I certainly don't care for her on the show, but you like her and that I can most certainly respect. :)
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn carolinejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 06:20 pm (UTC)
That's totally not a problem. ;) Bonnie is hard to like and I guess that one reason I stick with her is that I liked her from the beginning, but I can see why one wouldn't give a damn about her. Don't feel like you're being negative or anything - she did do a lot of things I didn't agree with and I can totally see reasons why she can pass as too self-centered. But here I was just targeting that particular argument because geez hearing that she deserves to go die in a fire because she's 'mean to Damon' makes me want to make a post with a list of all the shit Damon pulled for which she's entitled not to like him. And he's my favorite character, so no hard feelings. I'm totally not lumping you with the irrational Damon fangirls. ;) [Talks a total Damon fangirl, but I wouldn't even try to start defending him for at least half of the things he did since that show started.]
angryzenangryzen on September 10th, 2011 04:18 pm (UTC)
Love this.

I don't think people spend enough time thinking about how much fortitude it takes to be a teenage girl on the fringes. Everyone Bonnie knew was on Team Vampire. There was not one person she could speak to about how she felt. She gets punished for thinking differently (she told Elena in Plan B that they haven't spoken since Caroline turned). I think it's an admirable thing that she doesn't feel the need or pressure to jump on the bandwagon.

Regarding her burning of Damon, the dialogue in that scene wasn't the best but I didn't realize until I rewatched the episode that Bonnie knew about Damon trying to kill Jeremy. She knew! She asked Elena early in the episode if she'd spoken to Damon after he killed Jeremy. So when she said, "I told you what would happen if anyone else got hurt" Jeremy fit perfectly into that category. Damon said he didn't do "this," but he wasn't aware that Bonnie knew what happened the night (two nights?) before.

It's a little annoying to me how people always bash Bonnie for her attitude towards Caroline, but they don't acknowledge that Caroline went on to prove Bonnie's fears valid in the same episode. She compelled Aimee Bradley and sent her into a situation that could have ended badly had it been a guy other than Tyler. Then she almost killed Matt. Bonnie wasn't talking out of her butt. Her fears were legit, and I wish the show would explore her point of view more in these situations.

Bonnie's my favorite character, and it seems the Fandom's always looking for a reason to blame her for something. Would you believe some people said Klaus getting away was her fault?
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 06:29 pm (UTC)
Would you believe some people said Klaus getting away was her fault?

.... I had totally missed this one but SERIOUSLY? That one was totally on Elijah. And if we want to go blame someone else because Elijah is cool (and he is, but... seriously?), then it was Stefan because he trusted that Elijah would go through with his part. Like. SHE WAS ABOUT TO KILL HERSELF OFFING THEM BOTH but - idek. *raises hands*

And I know? Ugh. You can like her stance or not but at least admire the fact that she never went back on her stance when she knew it was unpopular. It's obvious that she doesn't LIKE not being on team vamps, but uuuh wait she actually has, you know, Real Reasons. You can dislike her for all the reasons you want but not because she doesn't like vampires. Ew.

Riiight, I hadn't remembered that there she knew that either (sadly I don't have time to re-watch anything right now :( ), but yeah, give her another reason to do it. Not that Damon trying to kill Jeremy was his best idea of the last two centuries... *rolls eyes* Caroline wasn't his fault but Jeremy damn well was.

Yeah, that. She wasn't the nicest of people to Caroline but as you put it, errr, she had her point. I'd just want people to think from her POV for a second - she doesn't know everything that the viewer knows about what happens in the heads of people she doesn't trust. I can dislike what she does but I've never had a second in which I thought 'WHY the hell would you even do it', since her action do make sense if you look at it from the point she stands.

I have literally no idea why she gets all that hate. I went and addressed the one that makes me want to smash mirrors more, but from pointing out that she isn't flawless to say that she needs to die because of how she behaves.. there's miles. And lol seriously Klaus being Bonnie's fault has to be the funniest thing I've read in long while - how do you even go there.
From Mission Impossible To MissionInfreakingsanitynot_from_stars on September 10th, 2011 08:11 pm (UTC)
I don't understand why people hate Bonnie -- but then again, the only issues I've ever had with her was that I thought book Bonnie was much more interesting and fun at times. However, Bonnie has a reason not to trust or like vampires, but damn it, she has shown over and over again that she would die to protect the people she loves. I also think a lot of Bonnie *is* wrapped up in wanting to protect Elena and keep her alive. Her grandmother died. One of her two best friends was killed/turned into a vampire. She sees all of this shit coming down on Elena just because of who she and who she looks like. I can see that she would do anything she thought she needed to in order to keep Elena and Jeremy safe.

That is no reason to hate her.
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 09:07 pm (UTC)
I haven't read the books so I can only vouch for tv!Bonnie, but YES THIS. It's so overlooked how much she actually cares for people she loves. She went close to dying for them enough times and she was about to bite it for real in S2, and she'd have gone into it willingly. At least give her that. But apparently it gets overlooked. Her attitude is probably not for everyone's taste but geez every time I hear she should die because she's mean to people she has every right to dislike I want to weep.
From Mission Impossible To MissionInfreakingsanitynot_from_stars on September 10th, 2011 09:15 pm (UTC)
That's one of the things I never have understood about fandom -- wishing characters dead!

The girl has ever logical reason for how she feels and why she reacts to the things she does. It's an injustice to the character to completely dismiss that.

And in the second to the last episode of S2, she shows that! She sees that Jenna is dead. She saw that Elena was being drained and then was perhaps dying in front of them when she and Damon showed up. When Elijah betrayed them, what was it Bonnie said? Oh, yeah.

"Do it and I'll kill both of you."

"Try it and you'll die."

"I don't care."

That right there sums up so much of who Bonnie is and why she's a good character. She worked with Damon -- not because she liked him but because she needed him to help her try to save her best friend.

That's not a character that should be hated.

You're making me want to write a Bonnie-centric ficlet. :)

Edited at 2011-09-10 09:21 pm (UTC)
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 09:38 pm (UTC)
SO MUCH. Especially when you have like no serious reason to.

THAT SCENE YOU QUOTED. I love it so much. Someone who's willing to bite it to keep people she loves safe while going against people that are seriously dangerous should get showered in praise. :( and yeah, everyone seems to forget that she has Reasons with capital R. Mainly that she lost the one relative she was close to because of all that vampire business. Blame her.

Heee. Bonnie ficlets? I'd like a lot. ;) ;)
From Mission Impossible To MissionInfreakingsanity: [The Vampire Diaries] Relaxnot_from_stars on September 10th, 2011 09:46 pm (UTC)
Also, people need to keep in mind that in the beginning, Elena kept what Stefan was a secret from her and then lied. Yes, we know why she lied, but everyone seems to say it's ok for Elena to lie to keep people safe, but not for Bonnie to act the same way? The person in her family she was closest to and who understood her the most died because of something she was doing for vampires. Her grandmother might as well have been her parent and losing a parental figure like that is going to scar a person and color the way they deal with the people that she knows caused it.

She doesn't like that Elena loves a vampire -- or two -- but Elena is still her best friend and whether we like the way she goes about things or not, she is driven to protect the people she loves that she has left. (And let's not even get into how she has every reason to hate Damon even more for the snapping of Jeremy's neck because he lost his temper.)

Until I read your post, I didn't realize how much the Bonnie!hate bothered me! I knew I hated the way people reacted, but I didn't realize I was so passionate about it. :D

I'll definitely try. I've never written TV!Bonnie before, but I now have an idea biting at me that takes place between the last two episodes of S2. I will need to find Bonnie icons. :D
the female ghost of tom joad: the vampire porn bonniejanie_tangerine on September 10th, 2011 09:54 pm (UTC)
YES THAT. Also Bonnie had sensed that there was something wrong with Stefan/Damon as soon as she was near enough and i'd say that she had all reasons to go with her gut. I do get why Elena lied to her then, but I'm pretty sure that she didn't feel particularly good about having been lied to. And THAT ABOUT HER GRANDMOTHER. I think people don't get how bad was that - it was the only relative she was close to, she could totally have been her mother instead. Sorry if she's pissed that she died to open/close a tomb. And it didn't even go the way it was supposed to. *facepalm*

I didn't remember that she had known about Damon snapping Jeremy's neck when he set him on fire, but then go blame her. Everyone in my fl knows that I <3 Damon but it doesn't mean that if someone calls him on his crap (which is pretty bad crap XD) I go hating on them. :/

Passion is just good if you ask me. ;) and hee I was about to do some Bonnie icons for today and then my photoshop decided that it wanted to crash every ten seconds. But if I don't manage today I so will tomorrow...
From Mission Impossible To MissionInfreakingsanity: [Character] Bonnie Bennettnot_from_stars on September 10th, 2011 10:05 pm (UTC)
I love Damon, too, but I will definitely call him on his crap. :D

I have so many things I would love to say, but I'm working on my tvd_bigbang and will be writing Bonnie fic inbetween breaks. I'll post a link for you when it's done!
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