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18 November 2011 @ 01:44 am
the obligatory catching up with birthdays post and all the usual rest.  
1. Happy late birthday to 88mph and happy on-time-in-the-proper-timezone birthday to verucasalt123! I hope you both had/are having smashing days and that your next year will be more awesome than not (and filled with Kill Bill references on SPN). ;) If you want to leave a prompt I'll see what I can do. :)

2. In RL news: bad side, everyone in the uni's student office should be strangled. (News of the year: you can't even choose the exams that are in the STUDENT'S CHOICE box on the study plan. If I ever meet the thankfully now former ministry of public instruction, I'll make her want to crawl underground. Anyway, it's been solved by technically-not-so-honest methods. Did I ever say I want to be done with Italian bureaucracy?) Good side: tomorrow and the day after I'm going to Milan for opera reasons. Thinking about it makes me momentarily forget the bad side since it's bucket list item #2 to cross. \o/

3. In TV news:

a) Since I can't quit Ringer until Misha does his thing, I caught up on the last two episodes. Non-spoilery response: the more it goes on the more I laugh. Also... sorry, but I've never seen a show with a dumber lead character. There, said it. Also the writers should do research on how heroin withdrawal and genetics work (red hair is RECESSIVE!), but I stopped expecting coherence from that show after episode two.

b) I'm missing the latest H50 episode still but the previous was better than most of this season put together, even if I still don't get Lori's point.

c) Boardwalk Empire is still at the level of: ten minutes of it are better than everything I watch the rest of the week combined. Though it needs more Chalky and Jimmy and Richard making out asap.

d) I'm also watching Hell on Wheels. Which I'm enjoying a lot except when they try to be Deadwood. The pilot pushed more on that aspect which is why I liked half of it and checked out during the second, but the second was already better on that aspect so I'll stick with this from now. I really do like the lead character (and his lovely boots), the black guy he's apparently going to be bffs with and that entire storyline (also the first scene of the pilot was aces). I can't get into Colm Meaney's character because it seems to me like he wants to be Al Swearengen at all costs and.. well, apart from the character being miles from Al's glory, Ian McShane would eat the actor for breakfast. So I check out whenever he monologues to nothing. I still don't know what to make of the lady with the dead husband, but maybe once she actually does something other than running from indians I might appreciate it more. Also the guy playing Alistair in SPN being the sheriff made me cackle with laughter throughout all of episode two (which was a lot better than one). Anyway for now I'm sticking with it - it's not a masterpiece and it's definitely not in the Deadwood league, but when they aren't trying to re-do it it's pretty good and hey, western show on my screen! My western fetish is being fulfilled and if they keep on doing their thing and Colm Meaney stops trying to be Ian McShane I'll be okay. Still, whenever I watch it I curse because three seasons of Deadwood weren't enough for my needs, but I figured it'd happen.

e) About SPN 7x08, since it's obvious that I'm not doing a separate post for it and I won't have time this weekend.. there it goes. By the way: it was probably my least favorite episode of this show in existence, so read at your own risk/amusement/whatever.

Dear Sera Gamble along with Whoever Wrote This Episode,

this was Not Cool. Meaning: if you thought that it was funny for everyone, think about it again. I don't care that -very technically-, in this whole deal, Becky had been thoroughly led on and that in the end she came around. You know why? Because as many excuses as she had personally (she thought that it'd have worked just if Sam loved her back, the crossroads demon was totally leading her on etc. etc.) didn't prevent me for being squicked as hell whenever Sam and her were on scene. Because from -his- point, the whole thing was the epitome of non-consensual EVERYTHING, and when she was tying him to the bed and such the only thing going through my head was 'shit shit MISERY FLASHBACKS JUST PLEASE STOP THIS'. (Non-consensual stuff squicks me. A lot.) And sorry, but if Becky tying him to the bed and... saying very creepy things was supposed to be funny, I guess we have a different idea of sense of humor. But this whole thing excluded, that wasn't even my Issue Number One. My Issue Number One was about what you did with Becky.

Let's go back a second. I love Becky. Or loved her. Whatever, depends on how soon I forget this episode existed. She never squicked me before or gave me secondhand embarrassment, even if she was over the top. Reason: I like to think that I have a sense of humor, and she was an exaggeration of the typical not-casual-viewer fangirl, but it was done in good spirit. I know how to laugh at myself, thank you. This stated, it's been pretty much obvious that Becky is the avatar of that part of the audience who: is a fangirl, likes to write (slash) fic, goes to cons, discusses the show on lj/message boards/whatever. Which is also who I am - I'm a fangirl, I've been to conventions, I buy your dvds, I write fanfiction (okay, D/C rather than Wincest, but whatever), I might be slightly obsessed with fictional characters. BUT, dear Sera & Guy Who Wrote This, if Castiel suddenly appeared in front of me, other than flailing a bit and give him a hug or fifty, I wouldn't want to have sex with him or marry him or roofie him or similar. Okay, Misha is very attractive, but it doesn't mean I get delusional fantasies about me and Castiel being together forever. He's Dean's anyway, he wouldn't want me.. Having fantasies, as I'm sure both of you know since you're human beings, is normal. Thinking that having fantasies about a fictional character makes you delusional is not understanding shit. That's where the problem was - so Becky (who is the fangirl avatar) wasn't popular in high school/people hated her because she was a nerd, only found people who understood her (seemingly) on the internet THEREFORE only lives on the internet, and she can't have a functional/normal relationship in Rl because oh wait, she knows that her only love is her Favorite Fictional Character. Dear Sera/Whover Wrote This Episode, if this is what you think about fangirls in general, which is what most people who don't get the point do (you don't want to know how much time I've been told that I like fictional characters too much/celebrities too much because since I'm an atheist I use them as God-replacement...), then.. think about it again. There are crazy fangirls who should get the hell off their computer and find themselves a life along with a wiser use of their free time (which is a lot more than I'll ever have..), but most of us are perfectly normal people. We happen to be obsessed with certain fictional characters that we like, and we might discuss your show on the internet since we don't know people in RL who are into it. We might like to write fanfiction (which half of the time we do because canon frustrates us). And fine, we have fantasies about said characters like every normal human being might have, and we might write fiction about it. Sometimes we even say that damn, those guys you have on your show are ATTRACTIVE. (Or: how to find out that hot water exist.) That doesn't mean that it's all of our life and that we'd want to have sex with them/want them those characters to fall in love with us if they existed. When I was in high school (and I still did fandom stuff) I had RL friends who didn't know shit about it, and I had a perfectly good social life. Okay, I wasn't OMG POPULAR, but I never gave a damn about it and what I do on the internet/what I used to do on the internet never was the one thing that made me feel fulfilled. I know that reality is different from porn. And that's what pissed me off: you had your avatar fangirl and you made her life a bunch of trite crap that consists in what people who don't do fandom think about people who do. And I don't like it when the show I'm supposed to support sends me a message like 'by the way, we think that you're kind of pathetic' Also: Becky having basically fangirlish reactions a) while she killed the demon, b) when Crowley showed up were totally out of place, because she looked like someone who still couldn't distinguish her porn and her reality. If you wanted to imply that she understood that the entire thing was SERIOUS, then you did it wrong. Believe me, if I had been in her place I'd have been scared out of my wits, not being like OMG OMG OMG CROWLEY. I do it when I watch an episode. I wouldn't do it in RL.

Okay, this also had a couple good things (IE: Crowley, Dean's vest, Jensen's bitchfaces, and I'll give it to you - DJ Qualls's character was cute), but the rest? Please, no. Just... re-do it. Making fun of your audience is something - slapping them in the face is another. And this stated, I'll give it to you: at least the whole plot was originl. It's the first time this season when I didn't think that you were trying to rehash S1/s2 in some way except for episodes one and two. At this point... the only thing I have left to say is, look at your choices and please, PLEASE think about it twice next time.



PS: I'm not hating this season - actually I'm enjoying it whenever you're not rehashing S1/S2. But please, please don't ever do this again.

4. Also, tomorrow the entire insane gishwishes thing apparently begins. Clearly I'll miss two days because I'm out *eyes Misha and his timing*. But let's see where it goes. Considering how embarrassing it was to ask someone to take a picture of yours truly with the gishwishes sign I think this is going to be shock therapy for my tendency to get embarrassed.

5. I'll probably do Yuletide. As if I needed ANOTHER exchange... but there are some fandoms which are too shiny for me not to do it.

6. Aaand that's all also because my train is at eight in the morning. *sigh* hopefully I can do some fic exchanges on there tomorrow.
feeling: sleepysleepy
on rotation: behold the hurricane - the horrible crowes
The Disreputable Writerwallmakerrelict on November 18th, 2011 01:14 am (UTC)
Re: SPN 7x08

Word. Word word word. I'm not even squicked by non-con and that whole episode made my skin crawl. For the record, I think Becky's geeking out about killing a demon and Crowley showing up would have been kind of cute if it weren't for... the rest of it.

I love it when the show pokes fun at the fans, but how did the tone of that teasing go so quickly from, "We like you guys even though you're kind of freaky," to, "We think you guys are Annie Wilkes"?
the female ghost of tom joad: assbut!!!!!janie_tangerine on November 18th, 2011 10:41 am (UTC)
Ugh I know? Not even getting into the non-con thing, the whole Annie Wilkes feeling was there and so MUCH that I was about to vomit. The problem is that good old Annie was supposed to be batshit crazy, not the audience's avatar. But yeah, my skin was totally crawling. And that'd have been cute, yes, but not after... WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE. I can't believe that she'd still geek out about the entire thing. Or that in the end she would hesitate before signing the divorce...

And yeah,m that! I don't mind if you say that we're a bunch of freaky people - hell, we are, but not when you think we're idiots. :/
The Cleaverage: dean/caskel_reiley on November 18th, 2011 01:51 am (UTC)
re: Everything you said about Becky (and fandom/fans) - WORD.

Okay, this also had a couple good things (IE: Crowley, Dean's vest, Jensen's bitchfaces, and I'll give it to you - DJ Qualls's character was cute) - Dean's face was the only saving grace of this episode for me.

I hope you have fun with the gishwes thing! (no, i didn't sign up, but i will happily cheer you guys on... or whatever)
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural + nick cave = otpjanie_tangerine on November 18th, 2011 10:42 am (UTC)
Yeah that. Dean's face was very pretty. The rest... not so much. I mean apart from Becky and Sam the rest wasn't OH MY GOD HORRIBLE, but the horrible that Becky/Sam was made up for it more than enough.

Misha should let me win also because he shouldn't pay me a ticket. ;)
The Cleaverage: castielkel_reiley on November 18th, 2011 10:59 am (UTC)
I was really happy that Becky was back, too! And it just... ruined her.

(LOL and see I don't really care about going to dinner with him, but I'd love a free trip to Rome!)
I want another ponyverucasalt123 on November 18th, 2011 02:37 am (UTC)
Thanks for the birthday greeting, sweetie!
the female ghost of tom joadjanie_tangerine on November 20th, 2011 12:48 am (UTC)
You're welcome, I hope it was good! :D
morganlucas41: sam dean sittingmorganlucas41 on November 18th, 2011 03:40 am (UTC)
I agree with EVERYTHING you said about 7.08. I think this is what bothered me most. I never really LIKED Becky, I've gotta be honest, but I appreciated her well enough for what she was.

But this ep just...crossed a line for me, as it did for MANY people, and I REALLY wish they hadn't done it. I have a feeling they're just trying to push and push the meta episodes, and after The French Mistake they didn't know how else to do that. Well, guess what, THIS was NOT it.

I'm with you - not happy at all about it.
the female ghost of tom joad: ARE YOU SERIOUS?janie_tangerine on November 20th, 2011 12:51 am (UTC)
I need to forget it existed so I can like Becky again and re-watch S5 without it being tainted. I mean, not like she was my favorite character but I thought she was cool. And.. well, it was well-meant fun. As stated, I don't really mind having a laugh at my own expenses. But one thing is having a laugh in good fun, one thing is telling me that I'm pathetic when alienating your audience is something you shouldn't do.

And YES. THAT. If you go meta-crazy DON'T use the avatar fangirl. Just don't. Also you can't top French Mistake, so don't... try to overdo it. Sigh. That episode was just too bad for any standard.
morganlucas41: sam dean suitsmorganlucas41 on November 21st, 2011 05:46 am (UTC)
I agree, I think they just went overboard and crossed a line. Becky never really bothered me. But the writing in this ep REALLY did.
twisting_vine_x: Castiel - I Need A Drinktwisting_vine_x on November 18th, 2011 04:14 am (UTC)
A ++++++++++++++++.

the female ghost of tom joad: ILUjanie_tangerine on November 20th, 2011 12:53 am (UTC)
Oh please do, I never refuse extra love. ;) <333333333333333
halfdutch: Hell on Wheels by mehalfdutch on November 18th, 2011 04:45 am (UTC)
I really dug the Hell on Wheels pilot, but then again, I never watched Deadwood. That is, I tried to watch and couldn't get past hearing "cocksucker" every 20 seconds! I know it had a lot of great characters and actors I've seen elsewhere but I don't think it was for me.

Now this, I did like, so far. I loved the lead and the widow Bell too. Cannot wait for their paths to cross.

And from what I'm seeing on my flist, so glad I dropped SPN ages ago!
the female ghost of tom joad: CLINT XQ_janie_tangerine on November 20th, 2011 01:13 am (UTC)
Hee Deadwood is very hit or miss - either you dig it at once or you don't. I do, but I totally get while you wouldn't. And Hell on Wheels is actually pretty good in itself, but in the pilot there were things that really seemed like 'hey let's try to re-do it', which just was good for making me check out. ;) But I already liked the second a lot more since they dropped most of it so I'm veeery optimistic. I won't go crazy over it at Deadwood level but I'm definitely sticking with it. :) I like everyone except Colm Meaney's guy, but it's because whoever writes his dialogue is trying too hard to make him be like the Deadwood sort-of-bad-guy. But since I like all the rest I can totally ignore that for now. ;)

... eeeh, I can't even blame anyone who does drop it by this point. I mean, I stuck with Lost until the end and when I dropped Heroes it was waaay worse than SPN is being now, but that episode I was talking about was... meh, I think that I'd rather go and watch that terrible Lost ep with Jacob's mom and the man in black for an entire week on a loop rather than go through that terribleness again. ;)
bold_seer: pic#114349336bold_seer on November 18th, 2011 09:06 am (UTC)
I'll probably do Yuletide

YAY! I think I'm doing it, too. When I've decided what to request/offer.
the female ghost of tom joad: GoTjanie_tangerine on November 20th, 2011 12:41 pm (UTC)
Eee I signed up! :D it looks so awesome.
i'm a tiny bandaid?qthelights on November 18th, 2011 09:58 am (UTC)
I love Becky. Or loved her. Whatever, depends on how soon I forget this episode existed. She never squicked me before or gave me secondhand embarrassment, even if she was over the top. Reason: I like to think that I have a sense of humor, and she was an exaggeration of the typical not-casual-viewer fangirl, but it was done in good spirit. I know how to laugh at myself, thank you

This. I loved Becky. I loved all the meta episodes and the way they made fun of fans and us. Because fuck if we're not crazy sometimes. But what we aren't is also pathetic losers. The previous episodes gave those fans redeeming qualities, they saved the day, becky included. This? Wasn't laughing with us, it was laughing at us. But hey, at least someone was laughing then because the episode was not funny in the least. And that isn't even getting INTO the whole rape isn't funny part of it all.
the female ghost of tom joad: supernatural + nick cave = otpjanie_tangerine on November 20th, 2011 12:43 pm (UTC)
EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. This all. I never had the impression from the other episodes that fans were seen as pathetic people :/// and I just... don't get what's fun in that entire thing. Whoever decided that it was hilarious needs a reality check right the hell now... not getting into the rape part indeed because that's an entire other bag of wrong. :/
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the female ghost of tom joad: boardwalk empirejanie_tangerine on November 20th, 2011 12:45 pm (UTC)
I think it has enough Van Alden and the right amount of Lucy but I wouldn't mind more either XD

.. I know? Meh.
A.vella_amor_dm on December 2nd, 2011 10:19 am (UTC)
re SPN - PREACH IT SISTER! i can't agree more. i don't understand how they could possibly think it's okay to write that kind of bullshit. and what about the people who do have serious problems like that? i think that might make them even more mentally unstable...
the female ghost of tom joad: ARE YOU SERIOUS?janie_tangerine on December 2nd, 2011 01:25 pm (UTC)
Ew, I know? I just don't know who comes off worse in that entire deal - whoever had the idea, whoever wrote it or WHOEVER DECIDED IT WAS GOOD TO FILM. Seriously, just - bleah. I still want to facepalm if I think about it.